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Re:Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset yet Is Just a G... by ChrisMarshallNY on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @05:51PM (#39197066)
The first iPhone was pretty terrible. I couldn't get my Marketing peers to take it seriously (which they came to regret).

The first Watch was awful. I love my Series 8.

Don't get me started on the first Mac...

Re:Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset yet Is Just a G... by AndrewStephens on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @07:02PM (#39197828)
The first iPhone was terribly limited compared to what came after it was not in any way terrible for the time. The demo Steve Jobs did was so good that a lot of people just refused to believe it was possible, only to be proven wrong when the thing went on sale.

You have to put it in context with what passed for a smart phone back then. No web browser (they sort of existed but were extremely cut down and not really usable), small screens with limited software, very limited connectivity that was very expensive.

A valid criticism was the lack of physical keyboard, which phone-jockies found a deal breaker, but in all other ways a phone with decent apps, a large screen, a real web browser designed around and provided with unlimited internet connectivity was always going to be a hit.

It wasn't even that expensive compared to other phones.

Re:Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset yet Is Just a G... by anonymouse008 on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @08:06PM (#39198367)
We all forgot how awesome inertial scroll was. Scrolling through emails or text messages was absolutely bonkers - it actually allowed us to use the full informational capacity of the screen.
Re:Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset yet Is Just a G... by AndrewStephens on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @09:17PM (#39198927)
Exactly this. I vividly remember watching that first public demo and thinking "sure, this is OK but touch screens are really annoying to use". When I saw Jobs flick through a list of contacts (or whatever it was) I was blown away. Finally somebody had made touch screens useful.

I am sure someone with quibble that some other product technically had something similar first, and they are probably right. But the iPhone demo was the first time I had seen anything quite like it.

Re:Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset yet Is Just a G... by anonymouse008 on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @09:44PM (#39199132)
Yup. This was what they were supposed to do for 'spatial computing' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c40cxE-dfPg

Turning on a light bulb, ordinary light in the house, meh, ok, then swipe your hands out over the counter and the recipe pulls up. That's the 'oh wow' moment. Then grab and throw a song to a Homepod connection. You know what I mean...

There's a gap someone can shoot, maybe 3 years tops. Honestly though, the developer ecosystem is just so tight, continuity so powerful, doing this solo requires more than what the whole MFi program offers.

Re:Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset yet Is Just a G... by rodgerd on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @07:47PM (#39198213)
> The first iPhone was terribly limited compared to what came after it was not in any way terrible for the time.

At the time my feature phone had much better MMS, video calling, and J2ME apps. The first iPhone was a joke by comparison looked at through that lens, and detractors generally were looking at the fact it was this hobbled 2G device missing features that were common in other, cheaper phones. Oh, and the camera was absolute garbage, too.

Re:Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset yet Is Just a G... by AndrewStephens on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @08:03PM (#39198347)
You are not wrong but Apple predicted that none of those things mattered and they were proven right.

MMS worked well enough but was/is pretty limited. Video calling existed but postage stamp video at 8 frames per second was not something that anyone wanted to actually use. And don't get me started on J2ME, an ecosystem so vast that Google didn't even bother to include it in Android even though they are both based on Java. Although other phones had better cameras, none took what we would call an acceptable photos today.

What people did use all the time was the browser and only the iPhone had a decent one. That was the only thing that mattered. Heck, the iPhone wasn't even a very good _phone_ and even that didn't matter.

Re:Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset yet Is Just a G... by elzbardico on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @08:27PM (#39198541)
Please don't remember me of J2ME. I felt relieved getting back to develop EJBs with xdoclet after a short stint working in a J2ME project.
Re:Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset yet Is Just a G... by 83457 on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @09:42PM (#39199126)
> You have to put it in context with what passed for a smart phone back then. No web browser (they sort of existed but were extremely cut down and not really usable)

I based my purchase of phones in the early to mid 00s on whether they came with the full Opera Mobile browser.

I could use just about everything online the same as desktop, that didn't rely on flash of course. The screen size was small but surprisingly wasn't a big issue as everything else was a massive improvement.

Oh Nokia 3660, how I loved thee. I actually chose the 3650 and then 3660 because they seemed to be the best smartphones at a standard sized. I just couldn't justify qwerty.

Re:Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset yet Is Just a G... by hn_throwaway_99 on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @05:58PM (#39197144)
> The first iPhone was pretty terrible.

I definitely do not think that opinion was widespread. If anything I think that the biggest discussed shortcoming of the first iPhone was that it was only available on AT&T.

Re:Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset yet Is Just a G... by ssl-3 on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @06:12PM (#39197297)
For example:

It didn't multitask, even though other pocket computers for a Long Time had at least the appearance of multitasking. It didn't have the ability to install any additional software, even though other pocket computers for a Long Time handled third-party software just fine. It didn't even have a copy/paste function, even though [WTF? Srsly, Apple?].

All of these things were eventually corrected by Apple, but it was pretty awful until they were corrected: For quite some time, the iPhone was just a rather fancy touchscreen music player with telephone and SMS programs tacked on.

(More damning: All of these things were corrected very quickly by third parties via jailbreaks. Some of us were having a ball with first-gen IOS devices very early on in the game, but Apple wasn't any help in getting that accomplished.)

Re:Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset yet Is Just a G... by hn_throwaway_99 on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @07:16PM (#39197956)
I guess I (and to be honest, reviewers at large at the time) just have a very different definition of "pretty terrible". Sure, it was easy to see how it wasn't "fully complete", but I think that is true of literally every brand new product.

And to take two of your examples, multitasking and 3rd party software, yeah, other pocket computers had them, and they generally sucked hard (see, Windows Mobile). Even the lack of copy/paste - other phones had them, but there was (and honestly still is) considerable debate over how it should be implemented given multitouch was new.

Re:Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset yet Is Just a G... by pazimzadeh on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @06:23PM (#39197406)
Yeah, but the first iPod touch was great. It came out only 3 months after the iPhone.

It seems like the Vision Pro 1 has the M2 so that when the Vision, or Vision Air comes out, it will be at least as powerful as the first Pro. And the Pro 2 can have the M3.

Re:Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset yet Is Just a G... by ssl-3 on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @06:42PM (#39197622)
First iPod Touch was even worse: It had all of the limitations of the iPhone, plus it additionally lacked cellular connectivity, messaging, voice, Bluetooth, GPS, speaker, Bluetooth, and camera.
Re:Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset yet Is Just a G... by pazimzadeh on Wednesday January 31, 2024 @02:31AM (#39201077)
The first iPhone didn't have GPS either. No iPods had speakers back then so that wasn't missed, you just used your earbuds. It was great for browsing the web and media consumption, since you either had WiFi or you didn't (no slow Edge network to tease you). Once the App store came out you had Instapaper for offline reading, and Google Voice for messaging/calls.
Re:Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset yet Is Just a G... by ssl-3 on Wednesday January 31, 2024 @05:15AM (#39202044)
You're right. The first iPhone did not have GPS. But it did have the connectivity to make other geolocation services useful, at least in a "Where the fuck am I at?" sense. (And the iPod Touch also had wifi-based geolocation services that were spooky-good, if it was online somehow.)

But from various PalmOS devices to whatever Android device is in my pocket right now, carrying wired headphones has never been a thing for me for whatever reason.

So as a Google Voice user since it was still called GrandCentral, having Google Voice available on a Wifi-connected touchscreen pocket music player called an iPod Touch was simply never very useful to me: The OG iPod Touch was lousy as a telephone, since it lacked all of the basic parts (like a microphone or an earpiece) that made telephones useful, and SMS was not yet in its heyday back then either.

I got much better use of the service with my dumb phone with T9 text input and transcription of voicemails to SMS, and my dumb phone worked anywhere instead of just where I could find a Wifi network.

Jailbroken, the iPod was an amazing pocket computer with a brilliant display, thin profile, and exceptional responsiveness to touch input, especially with third-party apps and improvements installed. It was fun having a real *nix userland installed on it, and it sure seemed novel to SSH from it.

By default, though? Almost useless except as a music player -- a task that previous iPods did better.

(I mostly used my OG iPod Touch to take offline notes. It did OK at this, but previously-used PalmOS devices did better in terms of input speed and portability of those notes.

Even relatively high-end aftermarket car stereos at the time were afraid of it: "Oh, why sure I can play music with your iPod!

Except.. is that an iPod Touch?"

"shun shun shun")

Re:Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset yet Is Just a G... by hollandheese on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @11:01PM (#39199721)
>For quite some time, the iPhone was just a rather fancy touchscreen music player with telephone and SMS programs tacked on.

It had the only truly usable mobile web browser. Windows Mobile's IE was trash, and the browsers on Palm OS, Blackberry and Symbian were laughable. This was the killer app (especially on Wifi, EDGE was not great).

Re:Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset yet Is Just a G... by makeitdouble on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @06:41PM (#39197617)
We should bear in mind that at the time it launched many early adopters were on the fence and kept a second phone around (most people around me did until basically the iPhone 4). We look back at it as a fun area, but it was in part because we accepted it was flawed and limited.

When trying to use the iPhone seriously, at some point it wouldn't receive calls anymore (just silently crash the deamon receiving it, you'd never know if not told by the caller afterwards), drop active calls when battery was too low (single digit), call quality could be horrible, stuff would crash from time to time.

Memory would leak like a sueve from everywhere so rebooting the phone every now and then was good hygiene. It's only after the 3GS that it stabilized, otherwise antennagate would have been just another tuesday IMO.

It was still a stellar device, but not a fully reliable device in any way shape or form.

Re:Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset yet Is Just a G... by herval on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @06:06PM (#39197217)
It was usable on any other network, I had one and it wasn’t AT&T locked

Compared to all the smartphones of the time, it was a slow toy with no apps and a 2G connection that was completely worthless

It looked nice though, and eventually it got an app store (unnoficially first), and the overall UX was a clear winner (nobody believed touch screens would ever replace blackberry style devices!)

Re:Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset yet Is Just a G... by lotsofpulp on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @06:23PM (#39197411)
https://appleinsider.com/articles/10/05/10/apple_att_origina...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_iPhone

> When Apple announced the iPhone on January 9, 2007,[38] it was sold only with AT&T (formerly Cingular) contracts in the United States.[32] After 18 months of negotiations, Steve Jobs reached an agreement with the wireless division of AT&T[39] to be the iPhone's exclusive carrier. Consumers were unable to use any other carrier without unlocking their device.

Re:Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset yet Is Just a G... by makeitdouble on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @06:46PM (#39197665)
A few people had it in Japan connected to docomo as a GSM phone. I suppose there were workarounds for other carriers as well.

I don't know how they did it, but "life finds a way" ?

Re:Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset yet Is Just a G... by hollandheese on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @11:06PM (#39199759)
There were apps and hacks to sim unlock the original iPhone. I was using mine on T-Mobile after using it for a couple of months on prepaid AT&T GoPhone.
Re:Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset yet Is Just a G... by herval on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @11:37PM (#39199983)
I definitely did not use AT&T :) (in fact I didn’t even use my iPhone in the US)
Re:Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset yet Is Just a G... by vel0city on Wednesday January 31, 2024 @12:29AM (#39200316)
> on any other network

> I didn’t even use my iPhone in the US

So you can't really describe the experience for the several different US carriers which it didn't work on, and thus can't really say it worked on any other network. Verizon was a network it didn't work on, and thus fails the "any other network" standard you set earlier.

Re:Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset yet Is Just a G... by herval on Wednesday January 31, 2024 @06:17AM (#39202462)
Pedantic much?

It worked on any GSM network. Tmobile for instance. Verizon and Sprint were the exceptions in the US, since they weren’t GSM.

Re:Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset yet Is Just a G... by vel0city on Wednesday January 31, 2024 @03:15PM (#39208776)
It is not a minor detail, Verizon and Sprint were two absolutely massive carriers and it was truly impossible to run the iPhone on those networks. And running it on T-Mobile meant voiding your AT&T contract and paying some big fees if buying it first-hand. Practically speaking, to most consumers it was only AT&T.

It is not being pedantic to point out someone is saying something massively untrue.

Your comment makes it sound like anyone could just easily take an OG iPhone and run it on any network, but in reality, to US consumers it was only a few smaller networks and only after breaking an expensive contract. See how that's more than just a pedantic difference?

Re:Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset yet Is Just a G... by RattlesnakeJake on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @06:13PM (#39197317)
No copy/paste & no apps were the main criticisms, given that Windows, Palm, & other "less-powerful" devices from that era had those features.
Re:Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset yet Is Just a G... by makeitdouble on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @06:49PM (#39197701)
Bugginess was to me the main criticism.

Albeit not from the computer nerds who knew what they were getting, but the general public who thought they were buying a phone on par with the Motorola, Nokia or Panasonic phones in term of reliability.

Re:Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset yet Is Just a G... by draculero on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @06:32PM (#39197502)
The lack of Flash support was mentioned a lot of times.
Re:Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset yet Is Just a G... by Rapzid on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @06:17PM (#39197345)
I remember what I was doing when I first saw it. Eating lunch with a work friend who bought it. I remember what I was eating.

It was incredible and obviously a game changer.

Re:Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset yet Is Just a G... by ChrisMarshallNY on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @06:07PM (#39197230)
In the case of my company, the camera was bad.

Also, it took over a year to be able to write apps for it.

JS Web apps were not “apps.”

Re:Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset yet Is Just a G... by chaostheory on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @06:19PM (#39197371)
That opinion was so widespread that it was still common for people to dismiss the second iPhone version.
Re:Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset yet Is Just a G... by kybernetikos on Wednesday January 31, 2024 @03:38AM (#39201462)
My memory of it was that when it first came out, it was worse in all ways compared to the best of what already existed, save one, and that was capacitive multi-touch. That was a big enough improvement in itself that nothing else mattered.
Re:Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset yet Is Just a G... by nipponese on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @06:18PM (#39197358)
For 5 year-old me, the first Mac was pretty amazing.
Re:Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset yet Is Just a G... by codeulike on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @06:12PM (#39197298)
The first iPhone was pretty terrible

Before Steve stood on that stage in 2007 and demoed the first iPhone, most people had never even seen 'swipe to scroll'. The first iPhone absolutely kicked the arse of everything else. So what if it was 2G that was how most phones were back then. The only objection anyone could think off (e.g. Ballmer) was that it was expensive.

Re:Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset yet Is Just a G... by Rapzid on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @06:22PM (#39197398)
Agreed. It had limitations but at the time nobody was "this phone sucks" because what it did have was fucking amazeballs and clearly the first glimpse at the future. We were witnessing a paradigm shift and aware of it while it was happening.