Half the reason i use a "smart watch" is basically to track my sleep.

My old Amazfit bip seems like it may give up on me any time now.. but I still can't find something that comes close to this in terms of it's 4 week battery life. Not even fitness trackers.

I already have to charge my laptop, smartphone, steam deck daily. If i have to add earphones and smart watch to that list, it would be just too much for me.

I just take the Apple Watch off for showering in the morning.

Same, pain to deal with a wet watch anyways.

Is this because of the touch screen? I have only ever used my garmins. I can't imagine having a watch I could not use in the rain.

Touch screen, the silicone/cloth straps absorbing/holding some moisture and making the wrist feel sweaty for the next hour or so..

If for any reason you forget, its useless. If youre traveling and forget the charger there is exactly one place you can get another. Its also pretty ugly.

I assume you mean that the Apple Store is the only place you can get a charger? I don't know where you live or where you're traveling, but I just checked on Walmart and they're in stock, available for pickup at the two Walmarts within 20 miles of where I live in rural Iowa. Same for Best Buy and Target.

> Its also pretty ugly.

Subjective obviously but I quite like how they look.

I did not know Walmart sold them. I regularly forget they exist honestly and I buy all of my Apple products from Apple or Anker. I collected watches prior to the Apple Watch so Im partial to the creativity of non-smart watches. The Ultra looks nice though.

I’ve had two Apple watches and never charged them in an Apple charger. I have a third party charger that works great and a different third-party battery-based charger.

What if you want it to measure your sleep?

You can stick it on the charger while eating, taking a shower or whatever else. With my samsung watch I usually stick it on the charger in the morning or in the hours before bed, when I don't really care about collecting any data/don't have to worry about urgent notifications.

And if I'm out somewhere and don't have my watch charger handy, I can stick it on the back of my phone and charge it from that.

Most Apple Watches these days will easily get ~1.5 days of battery. Mine's usually down to about 30% by the time I wake up, and is back to 100% in roughly the hour my morning routine takes.

I’m annoyed every time I go overnight somewhere I have to pack a charger. I don’t use many smart features…

then why have smart watch?

So if you don't have to charge every day it's not a smart watch?

It's not that difficult to produce a smart watch that can keep a battery for a week so I don't understand why you feel the need to condition people to get used to the horrible battery lives of popular watches as if it's the only way.

I'm a big fan of Garmin's hybrid watches that are smart "enough" but provide a 9 day battery life. Recently, Mobvoi made it possible to have an Android Wear smart watch with a multi-day battery (TicWatch). Something that Google Pixel will have you think to be impossible.

I actually did do garmin watch for 5 or 6 years before recently jumping to apple. In most ways I did like my garmin better.

My only day to day upgrade with apple watch, is it allowed me to stream music to my airpods on a run without my phone. But I think Garmin has since released phones that can store music..

I'm not using my apple watch to run "apps" past podcast/music/running tracking.

It was glaring issue when I upgraded to a smart watch that recquired daily charging from smartband that I charged every other week.

I charge it over breakfast and it’s usually fully charged in time my morning run

I've never understood how people can eat before running in the morning. How long do you wait after eating to go out running?

Not OP but when I was running 60+ miles a week, I wouldn’t eat before most runs but I would get up about 2 hours before starting my long run on Sundays to eat a bagel or bowl of oatmeal or something similar. 15-20 miles was just too far for me to go on an empty stomach even if I used a gel or two during the run.

I did always try to get a morning bowel movement before starting my runs though.

To clarify, by ‘breakfast’ I mean ‘coffee’.

Not having to think about charging another device is huge, and it charges so quickly that if I forget before an activity that I can plug it in while I’m getting ready or showering and have plenty of juice to last throughout.

Real reason I got my forerunner though is for backpacking and skiing, so conditions where I’ll be in extreme temperatures batteries don’t like, without cell phone service, without power overnight, and potentially needing to navigate on offline maps. I know this doesn’t reflect the average buyer though.

Because you might want to use sleep tracking and alarms. I have a watch with a three day battery life and it's nice to not have to charge it often.