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Re:Duolingo Cuts 10% of Contractors as It Uses More AI to Cr... by wycy on Monday January 08, 2024 @05:33PM (#38919260)
> Then after 200 days, I lost my streak and... breathed a sigh of relief.

I have a 297 day streak right now and I just feel like slave to the owl. I’m going to get to 365 and then purposely break the streak to free myself.

Re:Duolingo Cuts 10% of Contractors as It Uses More AI to Cr... by sharkweek on Monday January 08, 2024 @06:25PM (#38919950)
Do your brain a solid and break the streak at 364 just to establish whose really in charge here.
Re:Duolingo Cuts 10% of Contractors as It Uses More AI to Cr... by kaashif on Monday January 08, 2024 @06:56PM (#38920310)
Or just break it now. It doesn't matter.
Re:Duolingo Cuts 10% of Contractors as It Uses More AI to Cr... by Ringz on Monday January 08, 2024 @06:56PM (#38920307)
Probably you are right about that. Which brain does not like to pretend to give orders, instead of just reacting.
Re:Duolingo Cuts 10% of Contractors as It Uses More AI to Cr... by throwup238 on Monday January 08, 2024 @06:27PM (#38919983)
> I have a 297 day streak right now and I just feel like slave to the owl. I’m going to get to 365 and then purposely break the streak to free myself.

Why do you even care? It's an artificial count by a for-profit company with an Owl logo that doesn't even know you exist outside of a few database rows.

You've just self-described it as slavery, why would you keep doing this to yourself?

Re:Duolingo Cuts 10% of Contractors as It Uses More AI to Cr... by csallen on Monday January 08, 2024 @06:53PM (#38920269)
Sure, the count is tracked by the company Duolingo, but that's irrelevant. The count is also tracked by the user, and that's what's important. Even more importantly, the commitment to keep to the count is made by the user. It's their commitment, not Duolingo's. Therefore, it's not relevant that Duolingo encouraged that commitment and benefits from it. The user is still going to be subject to the guilt and shame that comes when humans break our own commitments, and that's what makes quitting easier said than done.

It's kind of like telling a smoker to just quit because it's the smoking company who benefits. Yeah, sure, but the addiction is internal. They're not just selflessly smoking to help Philip Morris.

Re:Duolingo Cuts 10% of Contractors as It Uses More AI to Cr... by lolive on Monday January 08, 2024 @11:40PM (#38922406)
Reminds me of this joke: “God exists for sure, at least in the mind of believers.”

#downvoteInApproach :)

Re:Duolingo Cuts 10% of Contractors as It Uses More AI to Cr... by cykros on Tuesday January 09, 2024 @06:22AM (#38924839)
It never ceases to amaze me how much people discount the existence of things because they "only" exist in the minds of those who believe in them.

Nobody has yet shown me a flawless proof that they themselves exist, or anything else, and yet somehow, I manage to get through my days just fine based on the versions of things in my mind that correspond to the empirical phenomena that I experience. And occasionally those mental constructs change with new empirical data even.

Re:Duolingo Cuts 10% of Contractors as It Uses More AI to Cr... by skyyler on Monday January 08, 2024 @06:38PM (#38920103)
We forge the chains we wear in life.
Re:Duolingo Cuts 10% of Contractors as It Uses More AI to Cr... by pierat on Monday January 08, 2024 @06:38PM (#38920098)
One thing I've heard here in HN, is that people LOVE to complain and bemoan their situation, and willingly abrogate their power and choices to some inanimate policies and corporate choices.

The GP's comment was that they were effectively 'slave' to a skinner box, and even recognized it. And yet, refusal to do anything about it.

I see it again and again. The answers are there, and a bit harder, but yeah.

Re:Duolingo Cuts 10% of Contractors as It Uses More AI to Cr... by wycy on Monday January 08, 2024 @07:43PM (#38920701)
> And yet, refusal to do anything about it.

I mean, I literally said in the same post what I was going to do about it. I'm ending it on my own terms when I'm satisfied with my own progress.

Re:Duolingo Cuts 10% of Contractors as It Uses More AI to Cr... by wycy on Monday January 08, 2024 @07:18PM (#38920539)
If I make it to a full year I'll at least feel like maintaining the streak as long as I did was in service of a specific milestone goal.

After a year the milestones become less meaningful (400 days? 500? 700? meh) yet harder and harder to break the longer you go. A friend recently hit 1000 days in Duolingo--really hard to give up once you've gone that far.

Re:Duolingo Cuts 10% of Contractors as It Uses More AI to Cr... by colechristensen on Monday January 08, 2024 @06:50PM (#38920236)
One of the things that enables civilization and not dying of disease living in your own filth is a certain vague appreciation for order that comes out in certain ways for different people… like the semiobsession with streaks which plenty of businesses take advantage of.

Lots of people harness this for their own good with streaks for things that are really actually valuable for them.

Re:Duolingo Cuts 10% of Contractors as It Uses More AI to Cr... by chaps on Monday January 08, 2024 @06:37PM (#38920097)
Maybe don't casually call something slavery when it clearly isn't.
Re:Duolingo Cuts 10% of Contractors as It Uses More AI to Cr... by gambiting on Monday January 08, 2024 @06:52PM (#38920252)
Being a slave to your phone or an app, or even a game or a book is perfectly correct use of the word.
Re:Duolingo Cuts 10% of Contractors as It Uses More AI to Cr... by johnnyanmac on Tuesday January 09, 2024 @09:55AM (#38926867)
Devices can't literally own a person, so it's not the correct use.

I don't like being nitpicky, but if we're going to argue about the "correct usage" and not accept colloquial usage has perverted the term, I may as well set the record straight:

>a person who is forced to work for and obey another and is considered to be their property; an enslaved person.

Re:Duolingo Cuts 10% of Contractors as It Uses More AI to Cr... by gambiting on Tuesday January 09, 2024 @10:52AM (#38927483)
>>Devices can't literally own a person, so it's not the correct use.

No, it is actually completely correct. But for the sake of playing this fun game of being "Technically right" here's also a dictionary definition:

Slave noun:

"a person entirely under the domination of some influence or person:"

She was a slave to her own ambition.

>>and not accept colloquial usage has perverted the term

No such thing has happened, words can have both literal and figurative meaning.

Re:Duolingo Cuts 10% of Contractors as It Uses More AI to Cr... by johnnyanmac on Tuesday January 09, 2024 @11:11AM (#38927748)
>No, it is actually completely correct.

fair enough, I thought that definition was unofficial or marked as slang.

>No such thing has happened, words can have both literal and figurative meaning.

yes, like "literally" having the definition of "figuratively". I would indeed call that a perversion:

>to divert to a wrong end or purpose

most of the time that is at best marked as slang (such as use of a double negative to mean a negative, and not a soft positive), but I guess that's not my call to make.

Re:Duolingo Cuts 10% of Contractors as It Uses More AI to Cr... by chaps on Tuesday January 09, 2024 @11:47AM (#38928309)
Hmmm. Personally when the non-disambiguated wikipedia page of a specific word starts with, "$WORD is the ownership of a person as property, especially in regards to their labor." and includes a photo of a physically mutilated other person, then maybe there are reasons to be a bit more careful since it's very easy to pass the wrong message.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery

Re:Duolingo Cuts 10% of Contractors as It Uses More AI to Cr... by attentive on Monday January 08, 2024 @05:45PM (#38919421)
If you get daily language exposure some other way then why not. But if the owl is the only thing ties you to your daily exposure then you'll have nothing.
Re:Duolingo Cuts 10% of Contractors as It Uses More AI to Cr... by wintogreen74 on Monday January 08, 2024 @06:27PM (#38919973)
This sounds suspiciously like some form of Stockholm syndrome.
Re:Duolingo Cuts 10% of Contractors as It Uses More AI to Cr... by attentive on Monday January 08, 2024 @07:40PM (#38920683)
That's how human brain works through constant exposure. If you don't care learning the language and honest with yourself about it then it's fine too. But this topic is mostly about the people who do want to learn the language.
Re:Duolingo Cuts 10% of Contractors as It Uses More AI to Cr... by ikt on Monday January 08, 2024 @07:07PM (#38920418)
to learn another language it's critical you use it as often as possible, in an ideal world you want to completely swap out your native language for the one you're learning, that's the reason for the streak, to keep you engaged in the target language to help you learn, it's not like a snapchat streak which is completely pointless
Re:Duolingo Cuts 10% of Contractors as It Uses More AI to Cr... by Timothee on Monday January 08, 2024 @06:55PM (#38920292)
I've had the same issue with the Fitness app on my smart watch (and others like Readwise). I wanted to keep the streak alive for the sake of it, but I was starting to get hurt. For Readwise, it was just becoming mindless daily review.

Thankfully I got out of it and am much more consciously breaking streaks.

The downside is that I've clearly been exercising a lot less since I stopped focusing on the streak, so it works in some ways…

We should have a way to adjust what we consider a streak: maybe a daily streak is important to you, but maybe 3 times a week is what matters to you. Having the option for each app would be great.

Re:Duolingo Cuts 10% of Contractors as It Uses More AI to Cr... by johnnyanmac on Tuesday January 09, 2024 @09:57AM (#38926892)
Yeah, daily streaks make no sense for strenuous exercise. Everyone needs a rest day. Makes more sense for food, though. Since you usually never skip a day of consumption.
Re:Duolingo Cuts 10% of Contractors as It Uses More AI to Cr... by cykros on Tuesday January 09, 2024 @06:19AM (#38924817)
It's a leap year mate; you've gotta get to 366.
Re:Duolingo Cuts 10% of Contractors as It Uses More AI to Cr... by wycy on Wednesday January 10, 2024 @10:56AM (#38939961)
I'm not entirely sure if I feel that I have to since the streak doesn't really correspond to a calendar year so much as it's "a year", but I think I will indeed go to 366 anyway just for good measure, unless Duolingo specifically recognizes 365 as a milestone.