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Re:'A business model based on mass copyright infringement' by Retric on Wednesday December 27, 2023 @01:51PM (#38785169)
Algorithms alone don’t qualify as transformative, which is why making an MP3 doesn’t count as a new work.

Copyright is insidious because people tried all sorts of ways to get around it in the past. You can’t for example replace all the words in an article with synonyms and get a completely new work. Thus, asking ChatGPT to summarize an article is problematic because the output is based on the original work irrespective of what’s happening internally.

Re:'A business model based on mass copyright infringement' by paulddraper on Wednesday December 27, 2023 @02:45PM (#38785763)
An MP3 is not a significantly different work. 1:1 substitutions of synonyms is not a significantly different work.

Summaries are explicitly permitted, which is why CliffNotes, Wikipedia, etc can publish synopses of copyrighted works.

Re:'A business model based on mass copyright infringement' by Retric on Wednesday December 27, 2023 @03:04PM (#38786004)
Cliff Notes books interpret, analyze, and comment on works which is allowed. Detailed summary alone doesn’t qualify for a fair use exception.

Note how much of the ‘summery’ section isn’t just a listing of what happens but an interpretation of what happens: https://www.cliffsnotes.com/literature/f/fahrenheit-451/summ...

“At the same time, she also gives the reader the opportunity to see that the government has dramatically changed what its citizens perceive as their history. For example, Montag never knew that firemen used to fight actual fires...”

Re:'A business model based on mass copyright infringement' by cscurmudgeon on Wednesday December 27, 2023 @02:54PM (#38785855)
> Thus, asking ChatGPT to summarize an article is problematic because the output is based on the original work irrespective of what’s happening internally.

You are confusing training a model vs using it. This way a web browser can also be said to use NYT's content.

Re:'A business model based on mass copyright infringement' by Retric on Wednesday December 27, 2023 @03:10PM (#38786084)
That’s in support of copyright being insidious not suggesting summaries are the only issue.

The point was people seem to assume only direct copies are problematic but that’s not the case. Training/feature extraction is just as mechanical as making an MP3.