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Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by eatonphil on Sunday December 24, 2023 @07:25PM (#38758409)
Demographics-wise it makes sense that Mexico passed South Korea and Australia. And long-term it's projected Mexico will get up to 7th place by 2050.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/these-will-be-th...

Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by redandblack on Sunday December 24, 2023 @08:03PM (#38758620)
Likely to be faster given Chinese EV companies are starting factories, which will help Mexico to transition their already strong ICE economy to the new era
Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by ramesh31 on Sunday December 24, 2023 @08:17PM (#38758678)
Healthiest demographics of any major nation on earth. Mexico will be fundamental to North American security, stability, and prosperity through the 21st century.
Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by intrasight on Sunday December 24, 2023 @08:36PM (#38758764)
Stability? Perhaps some day. Violence and instability make Mexico a risky place to invest. But Laredo TX now is the largest port in the United States
Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by shiroiuma on Sunday December 24, 2023 @09:04PM (#38758963)
When? Mexico doesn't even control all its own territory: a lot of it is controlled by narco cartels.
Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by klipklop on Sunday December 24, 2023 @11:44PM (#38759881)
Nothing the US military can’t fix (or make things worse?) when the time comes. If the cartels get in the way of making money through industry they will be taken down a few notches.
Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by MasterYoda900 on Monday December 25, 2023 @12:27AM (#38760087)
The US military would be unable to defeat the cartels. The US military is designed to fight standing armies, not criminal organizations or insurgencies. Any plausible solution to the cartel issue will take a long time to implement and require some unpalatable choices. For example: indefinite suspension of legal rights and due process for all military age males; arbitrary arrests and detention; mass amnesties; legalization; curfews; invasive government surveillance.
Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by namlem on Wednesday December 27, 2023 @12:57AM (#38779481)
The El Salvadoran military defeated their local chapters. Though you are right about the necessity of suspending due process in cartel-controlled regions.
Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by para_parolu on Monday December 25, 2023 @11:13AM (#38763728)
Same military that defeated taliban?
Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by asylteltine on Sunday December 24, 2023 @07:34PM (#38758451)
How does one invest in this to ride the wave?
Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by willsmith72 on Sunday December 24, 2023 @07:51PM (#38758557)
There's the VMEX etf if that's the kind of thing you're looking for
Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by StevePerkins on Sunday December 24, 2023 @09:34PM (#38759129)
I'm not sure about this symbol. It can't be found at all on Schwab or Fidelity's websites, and Yahoo Finance only has "VMEX19.MX" with no historical information.

The only mainstream ETF that I'm aware of for Mexico is BlackRock's EWW. I held that for a little while this past year, and wish that I had held far longer since it blew the doors off the S&P 500's returns.

However, I would only recommend putting a little play money in an investment like this. Not shifting your entire retirement savings into it. An investment in Mexico is really more of a short-term forex play than a matter of where the Mexican economy may or may not be several decades from now. Economically, Mexico is very much a vassal state of the USA. If things go badly enough for the U.S. economy to fall behind, then odds are Mexico would be heavily impacted by those circumstances directly or indirectly.

Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by sebmellen on Sunday December 24, 2023 @08:46PM (#38758820)
Very dubious list. Russia and Brazil in the top ten? Highly unlikely. I wouldn’t trust any of these projections in the slightest.
Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by mlinhares on Sunday December 24, 2023 @09:10PM (#38758993)
Brazil has been the biggest economy in Latin America for decades, what cave have you been living in?
Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by sebmellen on Monday December 25, 2023 @06:03PM (#38767154)
Look at fertility. These projections make no sense without considering TFR and growth through immigration.

~ https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN?location...

~ https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN?location...

Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by kaliqt on Sunday December 24, 2023 @09:05PM (#38758969)
I can't fathom why you think a country like Russia doesn't have a powerful economy.

Not just Russia, there are many countries most westerners know nothing about that have more money than one would have expected.

Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by vasco on Sunday December 24, 2023 @09:11PM (#38759000)
> there are many countries most westerners

Maybe this is meant in a way that makes sense, but what do you mean westerners specifically? Our maps include the same countries as people "from the east of us" (whatever that means on a globe), and we all can consult global statistics. Am I missing something obvious?

Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by retrac on Sunday December 24, 2023 @09:19PM (#38759039)
Brazil has a large and heavily industrialized economy. It is however radically unequal (even by US terms) which may be why you think the country is poor as a whole. With a GDP of $2 trillion USD the Brazilian economy is comparable to Spain or Korea in size.
Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by darkwraithcov on Sunday December 24, 2023 @09:28PM (#38759093)
There are cities in Brazil that are relatively utopian compared to a lot of US cities. It’s not all Rio, but some people think it is.
Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by rpozarickij on Monday December 25, 2023 @02:50AM (#38760671)
I'm curious what do you mean by "utopian" and could you give some examples?
Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by darkwraithcov on Monday December 25, 2023 @09:02AM (#38762659)
Check out Curitiba. It’s a beautiful clean city with very low crime and great public transportation. It’s more like Mountain View or Ann Arbor than Chicago or New Orleans. Compared to a city like Memphis or St Louis, it’s relatively utopian. It’s a .856 on the Human Development Index, which puts many US cities to shame.
Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by mlcruz on Sunday December 24, 2023 @09:30PM (#38759100)
Are you aware that brazil is the 9th largest economy in the world? Slightly above canada

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(no...

Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by sebmellen on Monday December 25, 2023 @06:00PM (#38767139)
Look at fertility. These projections make no sense without considering TFR and growth through immigration.

~ https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN?location...

~ https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN?location...

Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by huytersd on Sunday December 24, 2023 @09:13PM (#38759011)
Brazil? It’s a massive economy. Do you get your news from memes?
Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by sebmellen on Monday December 25, 2023 @06:03PM (#38767152)
Look at fertility. These projections make no sense without considering TFR and growth through immigration.

~ https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN?location...

~ https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN?location...

Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by namaria on Monday December 25, 2023 @04:04AM (#38760997)
Why? Both countries are top 10 in pop and area. Only makes sense.
Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by mc32 on Sunday December 24, 2023 @08:51PM (#38758851)
Quite a few LatAm countries had leading GDP (GNPs back then) a century or so ago, but mismanagement, endemic corruption, poor education, and a different attitude toward time management led them down a different path. It didn’t have to be that way.

They can pull themselves up like Salvador is doing, or they can be eternal victims like Cuba and have the Yankees as a convenient scapegoat (that’s not saying US meddling didn’t stunt growth), but Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, Singapore all prove that a government and a people who focus and stop blaming others for their state of affairs can achieve wild dreams. Finding blame, even when there is lots to go around isn’t productive for an individual or a people.

This is a lesson for Ukraine too. One day when the war is over, they’ll have to make a choice, blame Russia for their ills or get over it and begin a new era.

Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by makeitdouble on Sunday December 24, 2023 @09:17PM (#38759034)
> (that’s not saying US meddling didn’t stunt growth)

That's a pretty quaint way to put it, especially after mentionning Cuba. Just to go on with Taiwan, South Korea and Japan which have specially strong ties to the US.

In general attributing individual traits ("attitude toward time management", "scapegoat", "blaming") to whole countries to explain long term economic evolutions and gepolitics is iffy at best.

Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by mc32 on Sunday December 24, 2023 @09:24PM (#38759074)
I disagree. It’s a cultural thing. Taiwan or Singapore vs The Philippines. They have different attitudes (they can be changed if there is a pop wide effort).

It takes leadership and the cooperation of the people.

With the right government, I’d bet Cuba could turn things around, US or no US. But it’s hard work, sacrifice and effort.

Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by hnfong on Sunday December 24, 2023 @10:03PM (#38759275)
The common theme among Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, Singapore, besides friendly relations with the US as GP mentioned, is that they are all within the cultural influence of "Confucianism".
Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by mc32 on Sunday December 24, 2023 @10:09PM (#38759302)
Strong ties with the US is neutral. You can take advantage of it, or not. Egypt is a laggard, Greece is a laggard, Israel and Iceland aren't.

But I think you bolster my point, culture has to do a lot with how a people confront adversity and overcome it.

Both Korea ad Taiwan could have cried about being colonies of Japan whose resources and people were taken with no return. Japan could have succumbed to US defeat and felt sorry for itself too.

Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by makeitdouble on Monday December 25, 2023 @09:20AM (#38762797)
> Egypt is a laggard, Greece is a laggard, Israel and Iceland aren't.

To put numbers on it: Egypt is 38th in GDP, Greece 54th, Israel 29th and Iceland 111th. I have a hard time understanding who you call laggards and who aren't.

The impact of strong ties with the US is an opening on the US domestic market and not getting shut down internationally. China's position for instance is clearly impacted by that, regardless of how we morally view the CCP.

Korea ad Taiwan: they cried and asked for reparation from Japan, got some, and also further strong US support in face of the USSR and Chinese influence going in the region.

Japan: the US forgave most of their crimes, reforged their constitution and used it as US base soil to keep an eye on the whole region, while making sure it's economy doesn't end in rubbles and try to bring stronger ties to the neighboring red countries. Hell, Japan is still basically US's small puppy in so many ways (was fun to look at the US meat import ban from sanitary reason getting magically removed as the US threw a stern look at Japan)

Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by maybedorfs on Sunday December 24, 2023 @10:44PM (#38759506)
Those tigers(Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea, Hong Kong, Japan) Heavily focused on education are way smaller than the Phillipines.
Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by makeitdouble on Monday December 25, 2023 @12:54AM (#38760218)
If it's just a cultural thing, how would you compare Singapore to Ireland for instance ? They have roughly the same population, while Ireland's GDP is 500 billion and Singapore "only" 400 billion.

Are Singapore people about 100 billion dollars lazier, less educated and with a worse attitude ? Are Ireland people and culture that much aimed towards hard work, sacrifice and effort ?

Yes, a working government, educated people, hard work sacrifice and effort all weight on the scale when it comes to how a country will be doing. But reducing a whole country's issues to that is naive and misleading in a pretty perverse way in my opinion.

Too often it's also used the other way round to explain a country's success, and pat oneself on the back for being virtuous and hard working when things are just so much more complex and nuanced.

Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by boeingUH60 on Monday December 25, 2023 @01:49AM (#38760419)
You asked such a weird question.

Singapore and Ireland are both successful countries with GDP per capitas in the tens of thousands. And we know why; good government, hard-working population, and low corruption. Comparing them because of a little GDP difference is pedantic.

Philippines, on the other hand, elected the son of their former dictator that looted billions from the country. Shows you a country that’s not ready to progress because the majority actively votes for corruption and shuns integrity.

Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by makeitdouble on Monday December 25, 2023 @09:01AM (#38762651)
The issue with this line of reasonning is we'd find similar issues in most of the other "successful" countries.

I don't think people look at most US presidents as beacons of human value and righfullness. Same for South Korea or Japan leaders. The US basically swapped "corruption" for "lobbying", revolving doors and other more evolved systems. But we'll find explaination for why it doesn't matter for these countries in particular. And these probably include the general population being wealthy enough to not let things slide behind a critical point and take a hit when shit is about to hit the fan.

Perhaps my point is there's no specific recipe for success, and in particular perception of "good government, hard-working population, and low corruption" often come after the other issues are solved and the country is on the rise.

Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by mlinhares on Sunday December 24, 2023 @09:14PM (#38759015)
If there’s a country in Latin America people should not pay attention or follow it is El Salvador.
Re:Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world by darkwraithcov on Sunday December 24, 2023 @09:27PM (#38759087)
Mexico has some of the most arable land on the planet too. They are going to become a serious economic superpower by the end of the century, esp if they sort out their cartel problem.