I just did this switch and found it incredibly frustrating. Simple things like, "I would like to be able to log out and return to my greeter" don't just work like they do in x.org, and it is dependent on which compositor you use.
Anecdata but I've had a LOT of issues with kde & wayland, mainly due to SDDM.
That is not what I said, please don't misquote me. I said:
> [things] don't _just_ work like they do in x.org
Maybe it wasn't clear in my post above so let me clarify. A lot of thing "just work" in x.org and don't in wayland compositors. That is the complaint. That things which were easy are now hard.
No I don't. X11 works perfectly well for me. Wayland doesn't. Until I can migrate without issue, I'll be sticking with what works. If it gets to a point where Linux becomes unusable for me, I'll just move to an OS that works. Linux isn't the only game in town. Boo hoo.
No idea. I'm using Pop OS. So whatever that uses. Gnome is the DE, I think?
So you're being upvoted to the top by praising how flawless Wayland works on an OS that runs by default on X11? :))
Aww man, I hope there's a miscommunication somewhere, like you switched PopOS from X11 to Wayland, because otherwise this is HN comedy gold.
I wrote it up at https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2020/05/fix-screen-tearing-on-rotat...
Warning - you'll need to be at least a Level 17 Linux expert to understand the complexity involved.
> When I tried that with X I got lots of juddery tearing.
They said it pretty explicitly
And from my experience, there's distros that work better with X11 which is why they ship with it out of the box instead of Wayland(like Mint, EndeavourOS and Kubuntu), and ones that work better on Wayland out of the box, like Ubuntu and Fedora.
The entire reason there's time spent on dealing with Gnome vs KDE vs other bs is that everyone wants to build and customize their own desktop. But hey, it's OSS, freedom of choice and you're free to do it but I doubt window decorations will add very much to the overhead of all those different desktops.
Which is one of the biggest problems with Wayland - there isn't just one Wayland but Gnome Wayland and KDE Wayland and wlroots-based Wayland and Gamescope Wayland. What functionality is available and working and using which API varies between all of these. This includes really basic things like window decorations.
This is different from X where the core functionality is common because everyone usees X.org. If all the Wayland compositors agreed on how thing should work then multiple implementations would be much less of a problem. But they don't or at lest take ages until all but one of the NIH protocol extensions get abandoned. Some of this protocol extension zoo is hidden by applications and toolkits implementing multiple variants but even if you no longer see it as an end user this is still a cost because time spent on dealing with Gnome or KDE bs is time not spent on more useful things.