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Re:What can I do with Mickey Mouse as of January 1, 2024? by pie_flavor on Monday December 18, 2023 @03:28AM (#38680298)
It's incredibly ironic that under the copyright terms Disney has helped get enacted, several earlier films in particular Alice in Wonderland would have been infringement. Crossing a rope bridge and cutting it down behind you.
Re:What can I do with Mickey Mouse as of January 1, 2024? by HenryBemis on Monday December 18, 2023 @03:29AM (#38680307)
> Crossing a rope bridge and cutting it down behind you.

Heads they win. Tails you lose.

Re:What can I do with Mickey Mouse as of January 1, 2024? by bazoom42 on Monday December 18, 2023 @04:08AM (#38680542)
This isn’t some clever gotcha.

Disney didn’t mind paying for the rights to adapt copyrighted material, like they did for Bambi, Dumbo, Peter Pan etc.

Re:What can I do with Mickey Mouse as of January 1, 2024? by oblio on Monday December 18, 2023 @04:22AM (#38680611)
> Disney didn’t mind paying for the rights to adapt copyrighted material, like they did for Bambi, Dumbo, Peter Pan etc.

Because the copyright holders at the time were much smaller and less astute.

You try to get the rights for a TV show based on Frozen. Disney will probably not sell those rights to you at any price.

Re:What can I do with Mickey Mouse as of January 1, 2024? by chx on Monday December 18, 2023 @05:33AM (#38680964)
> Disney will probably not sell those rights to you at any price.

While I understand where you are coming from, it's obvious they would. They are a public company, responsible to the shareholders, yadda, yadda. It's another question whether it would make economical sense to pay such a price which would likely run into the tens of billions.

Re:What can I do with Mickey Mouse as of January 1, 2024? by PoignardAzur on Monday December 18, 2023 @06:57AM (#38681394)
I don't think being astute has anything to do with it.

Even now, book adaptations into movies, series, etc happen all the time. Even Disney still lets various companies (including freaking Warner Bros) make video games of its various IPs.

The dynamic here isn't about being astute, it's about well-positioned for a given market. If Disney thought a Frozen show was a good idea, they'd produce it themselves (like they did for Tangled and various others). For markets where they don't have / don't want to have an internal talent pool (RIP LucasArts), they rent the license.

Re:What can I do with Mickey Mouse as of January 1, 2024? by wslh on Monday December 18, 2023 @05:15AM (#38680857)
> You try to get the rights for a TV show based on Frozen

I think it is ridiculous to think it might happen. It is like asking Apple to sell you M3 chips. They will use it on their own devices in the same way that Disney could make that TV show end-to-end for years, if not a lifetime. Think in the Star Wars brand.

Simultaneously they partner with Lego and other companies for franchising.

Re:What can I do with Mickey Mouse as of January 1, 2024? by oblio on Monday December 18, 2023 @05:17AM (#38680868)
As I replied to the sibling comment, have you seen the post I was replying to?
Re:What can I do with Mickey Mouse as of January 1, 2024? by wslh on Monday December 18, 2023 @05:31AM (#38680954)
Could you please expand about your point? You are copying the same message to other commenters.
Re:What can I do with Mickey Mouse as of January 1, 2024? by bazoom42 on Monday December 18, 2023 @04:57AM (#38680781)
Probabably not - do you think they should?
Re:What can I do with Mickey Mouse as of January 1, 2024? by oblio on Monday December 18, 2023 @05:16AM (#38680867)
Have you seen the post I was replying to?
Re:What can I do with Mickey Mouse as of January 1, 2024? by bazoom42 on Monday December 18, 2023 @06:46AM (#38681338)
You mean the comment written by me? This is a very tedious way of arguing - if you have a point, why dont you make it?

You think Disney IP should be free for all to use? Just remember this would go both ways - Disney could take the work of any independent author or artist and use freely without crediting.

Re:What can I do with Mickey Mouse as of January 1, 2024? by oblio on Monday December 18, 2023 @06:51AM (#38681356)
My point is that the Disney empire was built on public domain works.

At least the older stuff should become public domain.

They're trying to have their cake and eat it.

It's not normal or sane or good for society that things created 70+ years ago are still locked up in a corporate vault.

Re:What can I do with Mickey Mouse as of January 1, 2024? by bazoom42 on Monday December 18, 2023 @07:39AM (#38681642)
You can make your own adaptions of Cinderella or The Snow Queen. Nothing is stopping you. You just cant use the exact character design of Anna and Elsa, but why would you want that anyway?
Re:What can I do with Mickey Mouse as of January 1, 2024? by dirtyhippiefree on Monday December 18, 2023 @09:10AM (#38682731)
You’re each arguing half of the article and are thus both correct.

Your conflict is self-created and can also be undone.

Re:What can I do with Mickey Mouse as of January 1, 2024? by gamblor956 on Monday December 18, 2023 @02:11PM (#38686827)
Very few of Disney's were "smaller and less astute."

Disney bought the rights to Peter Pan from Paramount Pictures in 1938. At the time, Disney was a small fraction of the size of Paramount Pictures.

The original author of Bambi sold the motion picture rights to his film in 1936 for $1000 USD to a film producer...Disney was not the purchaser. Disney bought those rights from the producer for an undisclosed amount.

Disney bought the rights to Dumbo for $1000 plus royalties on the book sales. (At the time Dumbo was a very simple, very short story intended as promotional content for a new type of book called a "roll-a-book". It sold very few copies, and would have been a historical footnote if not for the unexpected success of the film.)

Disney bought the rights to Winnie the Pooh and paid royalties to the Milne family for decades, before shelling out $350 million to buy the entire rights in 2001. (Disney originally paid $1000 for the merchandising rights to the merchandising rights holder, it's not clear how much they paid for the film rights but given that the Pooh books were a huge commercial success, estimates are somewhere between $100k and $1million in 195x dollars.)

Re:What can I do with Mickey Mouse as of January 1, 2024? by GuB-42 on Monday December 18, 2023 @06:27AM (#38681228)
And I suspect they really preferred to pay.

Using public domain stories enabled others to easily produce cheap knockoffs legally, and they did. So, for instance you you had direct-to-video, cheaply made versions of "Cinderella" which were an attempt to trick unsuspecting buyers who really wanted the Disney version.

When some work is still under copyright, that makes is a higher bar for knockoff producers than for Disney. Disney has more money, more and better lawyers, and is known for the quality of its work, which makes it in a better position to negotiate the rights.

Re:What can I do with Mickey Mouse as of January 1, 2024? by karaterobot on Monday December 18, 2023 @09:54AM (#38683282)
I don't understand. According to Wikipedia, Disney bought the rights to Alice in Wonderland and the illustrations from the publisher in 1938, 13 years before the movie came out.
Re:What can I do with Mickey Mouse as of January 1, 2024? by visarga on Monday December 18, 2023 @10:54AM (#38684152)
They also used public domain works like Snow White and Cinderella but now are working actively to stop other works from reaching public domain.
Re:What can I do with Mickey Mouse as of January 1, 2024? by gamblor956 on Monday December 18, 2023 @01:48PM (#38686522)
Just to be clear: Disney is trying to stop their own unique creations from becoming public domain while they are still acting using those creations.

The public domain works like Snow White and Cinderella were hundreds of years old when Disney made their versions, and they have no issues with others making their own versions of these fairy tales (because there is only one "Disney's Snow White").

And Disney is perfectly fine with paying for the rights to IP to adapt into films, as with Alice in Wonderland, the MCU, etc.

Re:What can I do with Mickey Mouse as of January 1, 2024? by chimeracoder on Monday December 18, 2023 @04:39PM (#38688718)
> The public domain works like Snow White and Cinderella were hundreds of years old when Disney made their versions, and they have no issues with others making their own versions of these fairy tales (because there is only one "Disney's Snow White").

Actually, Disney is incredibly aggressive legally when it comes to other people trying to use Germanic fairy tales in their own works, even if it's completely independent from Disney and there's no risk of confusion.

They've been able to shut down a lot of stuff that's almost certainly legal under the law, simply because nobody is able to take on a protracted legal fight with the megacorp.

Re:What can I do with Mickey Mouse as of January 1, 2024? by gamblor956 on Monday December 18, 2023 @07:37PM (#38690331)
Actually, Disney is incredibly aggressive legally when it comes to other people trying to use Germanic fairy tales in their own works, even if it's completely independent from Disney and there's no risk of confusion.

Citation needed.

In the past decade there have been more than a dozen movies based on the same Germanic fairy tales that Disney has exploited. Disney didn't sue over any of them.

Disney didn't even sue over Winnie the Pooh: Blood and Honey, and that is based on the version of Winnie the Pooh that they actually own. (The original stories and characters are now in the public domain though.)

Re:What can I do with Mickey Mouse as of January 1, 2024? by paulddraper on Monday December 18, 2023 @07:32PM (#38690306)
> They also used public domain works like Snow White and Cinderella

Let's mention that these stories were in public domain for literal centuries.

Re:What can I do with Mickey Mouse as of January 1, 2024? by neonnoodle on Monday December 18, 2023 @01:42PM (#38686438)
There was an earlier series of live-action Alice films Walt Disney produced before the animation division started.
Re:What can I do with Mickey Mouse as of January 1, 2024? by bmulcahy on Monday December 18, 2023 @04:21PM (#38688488)
It's no more ironic than a basketball player who just increased his score by putting a ball through a hoop trying to prevent his opponent from doing the same.