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Re:Predict the next frame. Results of training a transformer... by cs702 on Tuesday December 05, 2023 @11:28AM (#38533011)
Upon reading this, my immediate thought is:

It's only a matter of time before we have robots powered by large models pretrained to "predict the next token" across a bunch of different sensory modalities -- sight, sound, smell, touch, taste, etc. in a variety of artificial and natural settings, including social-interaction settings. Learning to read, learning to talk, learning to interact with the physical world, and so on -- all of it could very well be built upon the simple idea of learning to "predict the next token."

We live in interesting times.

Re:Predict the next frame. Results of training a transformer... by og_kalu on Tuesday December 05, 2023 @12:15PM (#38533777)
Oh yeah. The exciting thing is that is pretty low hanging fruit (at least for the common modalities)

What would a Large Language Model that can manipulate audio-visual data as expertly as it can manipulate text look like ? This is beyond just Text to Speech or Captioning and Image Q&A. I think we'll find out very soon.

Re:Predict the next frame. Results of training a transformer... by jononor on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @05:44AM (#38542319)
Yeah, I think this is now in the "we know it can be done, and how to do it". And also som

I think we might have audio2audio editing on the level of Stable Diffusion within a year or two. Based on recent progress with AudioLM etc.

For short clips, we will probably get video2video editing in the same timeframe. While it is computationally more challenging, it might end up being here before audio editing - because video is so popular in todays social media and marketing landscape.

Usable joint video and audio editing (that is coherent) will probably take longer.

Re:Predict the next frame. Results of training a transformer... by raidicy on Tuesday December 05, 2023 @12:00PM (#38533522)
These sentiments are pretty close to my own. I read a paper that claimed that llms are General Pattern Machines and could be used to complete small games in gym environments. It seems to me that if these things really are General Pattern Machines all we have to do is figure out a way to represent any data as a pattern and try and predict the next step in the pattern right?

The multi token[1] project which allows you to take any type of data and turn it into a token it's pretty interesting and seems like it's going in this direction.

I would really like to see a framework where you can take any modality of any type turn it into a series of tokens and just cram it into a language model and effectively turning into a multimodal model with almost no effort.

[0]https://general-pattern-machines.github.io/ [1] https://github.com/sshh12/multi_token

Re:Predict the next frame. Results of training a transformer... by kelseyfrog on Tuesday December 05, 2023 @04:24PM (#38537095)
If they're looking for a name, The Glass Bead Game isn't a bad start.
Re:Predict the next frame. Results of training a transformer... by texas2toss on Tuesday December 05, 2023 @06:06PM (#38538190)
Probably my favorite “smart” book of all time
Re:Predict the next frame. Results of training a transformer... by sshh12 on Tuesday December 05, 2023 @07:47PM (#38539066)
Yeah this is exactly what I was thinking when building multi_token! Just bottlenecked so far by my own GPU, datasets, and freetime
Re:Predict the next frame. Results of training a transformer... by raidicy on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @07:11AM (#38542813)
Thank you thank you thank you! I think it's a wonderful repo it's a shame I haven't been able to dig deeper into it. I starred your project as soon as I saw it!
Re:Predict the next frame. Results of training a transformer... by catchnear4321 on Tuesday December 05, 2023 @11:33AM (#38533095)
across a bunch of different gradients. senses will be the next step, humans grok that good and easy. once multiple gradients are considered, non-sensory gradients are going to be next.

this is all a bunch of gobbledygook until it isn’t.

Re:Predict the next frame. Results of training a transformer... by gwern on Tuesday December 05, 2023 @02:02PM (#38535399)
That pretty much already exists. Look at DeepMind's Gato: all tasks and modalities are simply sequences of tokens, everything from 'predict English text' to 'predict VAE image token sequences' to 'predict robotic arms commands and movements IRL'.
Re:Predict the next frame. Results of training a transformer... by cs702 on Tuesday December 05, 2023 @03:00PM (#38536178)
Ah, yes, I'd forgotten about Gato. Thank you for reminding me. There's so much research activity that the Gato paper feels as if it was published eons ago. There's only so much I can retain in my puny little human mind at once!

In any case, I'm not sure Gato qualifies as a "large" model with 1.2B parameters -- it's kinda right below the threshold at which it could or would start exhibiting emergent behaviors. Maybe a new Gato with 10's or 100's of billions of parameters operating in the physical world?

Re:Predict the next frame. Results of training a transformer... by gwern on Tuesday December 05, 2023 @05:16PM (#38537701)
Yes. Gato was a good proof-of-concept that the Decision Transformer approach of 'just model literally everything as a sequence' scales well and doesn't exhibit some sort of catastrophic interference and can successfully imitation-learn from all the expert datasets, and a bit of transfer. But they need to push it at least another OOM or 2 to show major transfer, some emergences, and ideally do both from-scratch learning and additional learning on many new tasks. We continue to wait. :(

I hope it didn't all get rolled up into Gemini and become a state secret they'll never publish on again, or lost in the shuffle in the chaos of the DeepMind/Brain merger/liquidation.

Re:Predict the next frame. Results of training a transformer... by cs702 on Tuesday December 05, 2023 @06:05PM (#38538188)
> ...lost in the shuffle in the chaos of the DeepMind/Brain merger/liquidation

That's the most likely explanation, in my view.

Re:Predict the next frame. Results of training a transformer... by jerpint on Tuesday December 05, 2023 @02:29PM (#38535755)
GATO was heavily biased towards tasks in a simple simulator, but didn’t exhibit emergent behaviours
Re:Predict the next frame. Results of training a transformer... by ldjkfkdsjnv on Tuesday December 05, 2023 @02:12PM (#38535544)
Yeah its going to happen. We will see and speak with intelligent machines
Re:Predict the next frame. Results of training a transformer... by jefft255 on Tuesday December 05, 2023 @03:07PM (#38536257)
I did that a few years back: https://arxiv.org/abs/2011.11751
Re:Predict the next frame. Results of training a transformer... by cs702 on Tuesday December 05, 2023 @03:25PM (#38536472)
With a large model? How many parameters?

See my other comment here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38536178

Re:Predict the next frame. Results of training a transformer... by jefft255 on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @10:13AM (#38544874)
A couple millions IIRC. Nothing "large" compared to modern transformer models.
Re:Predict the next frame. Results of training a transformer... by cs702 on Thursday December 07, 2023 @09:17AM (#38556557)
Thanks for getting back to me. That's what I thought. The magic seems to start happening in the low billions of parameters -- and I say "seems" b/c there's no consensus as to whether it's really truly magic! In any case, it's a shame that most of the human brainpower capable of improving SotA AI doesn't have access to large-scale resources.
Re:Predict the next frame. Results of training a transformer... by dottedmag on Tuesday December 05, 2023 @03:09PM (#38536287)
One can argue there are ~8bln of these robots already roaming the Earth.
Re:Predict the next frame. Results of training a transformer... by ww520 on Tuesday December 05, 2023 @03:48PM (#38536707)
Let me guess. Someone will train a LLM on the stock prices to predict the stock market. It might work as well as how human has predicted the market.
Re:Predict the next frame. Results of training a transformer... by astrange on Tuesday December 05, 2023 @06:00PM (#38538145)
Past performance is not a guarantee of future results.
Re:Predict the next frame. Results of training a transformer... by Kelkonosemmel on Tuesday December 05, 2023 @04:29PM (#38537159)
Yepp. I think a robot who can easily follow your commands should be doable in 10-20 years.

I plan to buy a farm when I have the money and I'm pretty sure while I will/want to do a lot of hands on renovation and sculpting (park, etc) long term some type of robot should be good and affordable enough to take over when I'm too old.