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Re:Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language ... by madsbuch on Friday November 24, 2023 @10:47AM (#38405083)
Given that the US doest not have an official language, this rings a weird bell. Had the been England or any other country with an official language, it would have been something.

In particular with the history of California and the proximity to Mexico, the opposite (that more than 50% speaks english) should be the story.

Re:Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language ... by chrisan on Friday November 24, 2023 @10:51AM (#38405127)
The federal govt does not have an official language but individual states may state one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Official_languages_of...

California is one

Re:Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language ... by jjgreen on Friday November 24, 2023 @10:50AM (#38405115)
The UK does not have an official language.
Re:Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language ... by switch007 on Friday November 24, 2023 @11:10AM (#38405361)
De facto it does

De jure, Wales does

Cambridge Dictionary defines official language as:

> the language or one of the languages that is accepted by a country's government, is taught in schools, used in the courts of law, etc.

There is no debate whatsoever that English meets that criteria in the UK

Re:Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language ... by jameshart on Friday November 24, 2023 @11:27AM (#38405571)
But by that criterion the US also has an official language.
Re:Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language ... by switch007 on Friday November 24, 2023 @11:29AM (#38405585)
Yes, the de facto language of the US is English.

What's your argument there?

Re:Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language ... by sin7 on Friday November 24, 2023 @11:53AM (#38405851)
De facto is not the same as official.
Re:Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language ... by switch007 on Friday November 24, 2023 @12:44PM (#38406328)
Not much of an argument but when it comes to English it is. “Official” as in widely and universally recognised and accepted by government authorities? English in the UK (and US) absolutely is

Though now we’re just descending in to semantics which is not very entertaining

Re:Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language ... by hot_gril on Friday November 24, 2023 @03:19PM (#38407790)
California recognizes Spanish quite a bit, including on official forms like the DMV.
Re:Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language ... by OnlyMortal on Friday November 24, 2023 @11:04AM (#38405290)
Correct. It’s the defacto.

Indeed, there’s even no official version of English unlike, say, French and Dutch.

Re:Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language ... by jjgreen on Friday November 24, 2023 @11:21AM (#38405503)
That there is no Académie anglaise is a fact which surprises and appalls the French.
Re:Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language ... by switch007 on Friday November 24, 2023 @11:26AM (#38405560)
The degree to which we do not care what the French think about our lack of an official body overseeing and dictating the language of English can not be accurately described in words. We would have to invent a new unit of measurement to measure it. :)
Re:Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language ... by jjgreen on Friday November 24, 2023 @11:41AM (#38405733)
Re:Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language ... by switch007 on Friday November 24, 2023 @12:46PM (#38406356)
By that scale it’s “no shits given”
Re:Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language ... by HKH2 on Friday November 24, 2023 @11:44AM (#38405770)
Prescriptivism only gets you so far.
Re:Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language ... by justrealist on Friday November 24, 2023 @10:52AM (#38405146)
California was almost empty when it was annexed into the US. Disease etc. Immigration from the rest of the English-speaking US completely dwarfed what was left.

Almost 100% of Spanish-speaking Californians have come in the past 50-70 years. Basically none have historical roots to California.

Re:Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language ... by eduardo_f on Friday November 24, 2023 @11:08AM (#38405333)
Re:Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language ... by aegypti on Friday November 24, 2023 @12:29PM (#38406185)
…the 15.2 million California Hispanics, who total 40% of California's population. 2004 studies estimated that between 300,000 and 500,000 have ancestry descended from the Spanish and Mexican eras of California

Parent comment is mostly correct, californios are an insignificant part of California in comparison to eg Tejanos.

Re:Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language ... by Spooky23 on Friday November 24, 2023 @11:10AM (#38405358)
I'd imagine in a 70 year timeline, easily 80% of the population has no historical roots to California!
Re:Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language ... by 29athrowaway on Friday November 24, 2023 @11:17AM (#38405435)
Not accurate.

What is known as the American state of California was part of the state of Alta California in Mexico, which was annexed by the US during the Mexican American war.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alta_California

Years later, the Mexicans as well as their descendants, who were Americans by Jus soli (birthright citizenship) were ethnically cleansed during the Mexican Repatriation, where they were kidnapped, put into buses and trucks and sent to Mexico.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Repatriation

Many Mexicans are mestizos (mixed with Native Americans), so they have a deeper connection to the land dating to tens of thousands of years and this is reflected in the population genetic haplogroups.

Re:Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language ... by justrealist on Friday November 24, 2023 @11:25AM (#38405554)
No, those were more recent immigrants. Read your own link.

I am talking about at time of annexation, 1847.

Re:Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language ... by 29athrowaway on Friday November 24, 2023 @12:16PM (#38406065)
Mestizos have a stronger connection to the land than European settlers.
Re:Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language ... by justrealist on Friday November 24, 2023 @12:41PM (#38406287)
Nobody has any connection to the land, people are not plants.
Re:Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language ... by stmichel on Friday November 24, 2023 @04:02PM (#38408303)
So if you get shipped to Turkmenistan tomorrow that wouldn't be a problem right?
Re:Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language ... by justrealist on Friday November 24, 2023 @09:36PM (#38410644)
There are a lot of open questions here but yes I hope my kids and grandkids would be afforded the same rights as native Turkmen.
Re:Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language ... by mistrial9 on Friday November 24, 2023 @11:18AM (#38405448)
certain native people had trading routes that went all the way from Central America up to Washington State.

source: a group that still does this, and has land near Mt Shasta too

Re:Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language ... by TMWNN on Saturday November 25, 2023 @02:33PM (#38415943)
>California was almost empty when it was annexed into the US. Disease etc. Immigration from the rest of the English-speaking US completely dwarfed what was left.

>Almost 100% of Spanish-speaking Californians have come in the past 50-70 years. Basically none have historical roots to California.

Correct. I go into more detail on why this is the case elsewhere. <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38415835>