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Re:Training for one trillion parameter model backed by Intel... by sixQuarks on Friday November 24, 2023 @08:36AM (#38403797)
Has a corporation ever tried to commit genocide?
Re:Training for one trillion parameter model backed by Intel... by meroes on Friday November 24, 2023 @09:18AM (#38404181)
Yes? United Fruit Company now known as Chiquita.
Re:Training for one trillion parameter model backed by Intel... by genman on Friday November 24, 2023 @10:12AM (#38404769)
Their practices have not changed much. For example they are using death squads against farmers.
Re:Training for one trillion parameter model backed by Intel... by CBarkleyU on Friday November 24, 2023 @09:02AM (#38404031)
The Dutch East India Company definitely did things that are well in the genocide category, the British East India company did things that - while not on that level of evil - can only be described as ruthlessly atrocious.

Pretty much all leading heads of IG Farben were in one way or another dinked (but not procecuted bc of political reasons) for their part in the Holocaust.

Then we have the Kiobel vs Royal Dutch Petroleum Co. case, where a number of petroleum companies ("allegedly") instigated the Nigarian government to crush protests.

It all depends on your definition of "trying to commit [atrocity]", to me personally, instigating and happily lending a hand are both morally deplorable. So in the context of this thread, I'd much rather have the instigater have that power than a helper. At least I have some say in what the government does... I hope?

Re:Training for one trillion parameter model backed by Intel... by thebradbain on Friday November 24, 2023 @08:56AM (#38403979)
Well, there’s the entire history of Dole and also the United Fruit Company in South America.

In more recent history, Exxon has a checkered past when it comes to using force against sovereign citizens, often employing paramilitary organizations to guard oil fields [1] to more recently abusing international court systems to disbar and jail the lawyer which successfully secured judgements against them [2]

And at this very moment, right now, is the ongoing genocide in the Congo due to rare earth mineral mining [3]

Everything I link here is quite frankly the tip of the iceberg, not the end-all-be-all, but meant to provide a jumping off point should you want to research how often private capital and genocide go hand in hand.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accusations_of_ExxonMobil_hu...

[2] https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/28/chevron-lawy...

[3] https://republic.com.ng/october-november-2023/congo-cobalt-g...

Re:Training for one trillion parameter model backed by Intel... by checkyoursudo on Friday November 24, 2023 @09:32AM (#38404322)
A more pressing reformulation might be, has a corporation ever explicitly tried not to commit genocide?

Google, maybe, until they dropped the "don't be evil" catchphrase?

Many, maybe even most, governments could commit genocide and don't.

How many corporations that could commit genocide wouldn't? I don't know the answer to this, but I am less confident about the answer than I would prefer.

I don't think most corporations are inherently more evil than most governments, but I would choose a democratic government or consortium to shepherd AGI over any corporation, but also of course over any non-democratic government as well.

Re:Training for one trillion parameter model backed by Intel... by chx on Friday November 24, 2023 @11:16AM (#38405420)
How close do they need to be? China Petrochemical Corporation (Sinopec Group) has, for all intents and purposes, financed the genocide in Darfur. See for example https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2006/03/statement-on-... on this.
Re:Training for one trillion parameter model backed by Intel... by btbuildem on Friday November 24, 2023 @09:17AM (#38404164)
The first chartered corps were created in order to streamline genocide - East India for example. This new form combined the merchants' wealth and the royalty's military power into an entity that was accountable to no one but those who stood to profit from it.
Re:Training for one trillion parameter model backed by Intel... by Pat_Murph on Friday November 24, 2023 @10:49AM (#38405101)
There are initiatives to have international criminal courts to recognise that corporations are responsable for participating in genocides.

They are not part of the international coûts mandaté at the moment so they are used to shield people behind them.

Here's a paper exploring this possibility

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2151510

Re:Training for one trillion parameter model backed by Intel... by pajko on Friday November 24, 2023 @09:25AM (#38404262)
Think Weyland-Yutani.
Re:Training for one trillion parameter model backed by Intel... by Pat_Murph on Friday November 24, 2023 @10:46AM (#38405068)
Corporations participated in genocide yes.

Here's a list of corporations who profited from the holocaust in various ways.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_involved_i...

Re:Training for one trillion parameter model backed by Intel... by _heimdall on Friday November 24, 2023 @09:56AM (#38404586)
Modern chemical and pharmaceutical companies largely came out of WW1 and WW2 weapons manufacturing and research (including human trials).

It may be hard to directly peg weapons manufacturers with genocide though Nazi-era chemical research absolutely played a role in the Holocaust.

For a more recent example, there are companies that play the role of mercenary armies. They have committed various atrocities, war crimes, and at least played a role in genocide.