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Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by emodendroket on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @01:16PM (#38382900)
It is though. Being an ad supplier is different from being an ad exchange. Or would you describe the New York Times or HBO as "ads businesses"?
Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by tannhaeuser on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @01:36PM (#38383188)
I'm not into watching streaming services or TV for that matter, but that would be news to me. Does YT now produce own exclusive content? I think they don't 1. to keep content producers running their stuff on YT rather than acting as competitor 2. to avoid yet another reason for antitrust action (ie. the bad looks of extending their monopoly)
Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by emodendroket on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @01:39PM (#38383234)
There was something called "YouTube Originals" that's been discontinued but I didn't consider that central to the point I was making.
Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by lizknope on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @06:14PM (#38386579)
Cobra Kai started on "YouTube Red" which I think was renamed "YouTube Premium"

Then it went to Netflix where it became a big hit.

There was another show I liked named Ryan Hansen Solves Crimes on Television. They constantly broke the third wall making fun of YouTube Red being confused with some kind of adult content service.

Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by bossyTeacher on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @03:53PM (#38384949)
It is not. Think about it. Diversification ensures that if one of your assets degrades in value, you have an unrelated asset that can still do well. Back to Alphabet, if ads revenues disappears overnight, Youtube becomes a dead project. Simples
Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by kmlevitt on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @04:41PM (#38385538)
At least they have alternate ways of selling ads, though. For example there has been a lot of talk about how their search business ads are threatened by LLMs that answer questions directly instead of giving search results that include paid placements, etc. But even if that happened, it likely wouldn’t affect YouTube ad revenues much.
Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by emodendroket on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @10:15PM (#38388792)
Is it? If some new thing came along tomorrow that made Google's ad exchange obsolete, they could still sell ads on YouTube using whatever the new thing is. Or if YouTube became untenable, they'd have the ad exchange.
Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by hyperhopper on Thursday November 23, 2023 @12:19AM (#38389612)
You two are nitpicking over "ads" vs "ads exchange" without saying it or talking about it meaningfully
Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by hot_gril on Thursday November 23, 2023 @02:25AM (#38390329)
Yeah, the point is diversification
Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by emodendroket on Thursday November 23, 2023 @10:24AM (#38393713)
OK, enlighten us then.
Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by hot_gril on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @01:20PM (#38382955)
Also, they sell Premium
Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by js4ever on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @01:40PM (#38383255)
That's probably less than 1% of YouTube revenue (number came out of my hat)
Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by JohnFen on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @02:03PM (#38383592)
In 2022, premium subscribers accounted for a bit less than 9% of YouTube's audience (and 67% of premium subscribers were in the US), according to this:

https://www.mediagistic.com/blog/how-many-youtube-users-will...

Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by jonathankoren on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @02:57PM (#38384292)
To use a googlism: I’m surprised Google can count that low.
Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by kmlevitt on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @04:44PM (#38385575)
8-9% is actually a pretty impressive conversion rate considering close to 100% of people use YouTube. They have like 97.6% market share.
Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by hot_gril on Thursday November 23, 2023 @02:15AM (#38390257)
No data for this, but I feel like 9% is less than they expected after 5 years of the "frustrate and seduce" strategy, which is why they're even going after ad-blockers now. If anything, they look frustrated. But they probably had to do this.
Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by emodendroket on Thursday November 23, 2023 @10:46AM (#38393997)
Why would they want people using an ad blocker to even use the site that much though. They’re denying them revenue while costing them. I mean it’s great as a user but as a service there’s not really much upside.
Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by hot_gril on Thursday November 23, 2023 @07:00PM (#38399216)
YouTube didn't seem to mind so much before. Maybe they wanted to keep those users' attention on YouTube instead of elsewhere. Now they're a lot more focused on the profits, which is fine.
Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by hotnfresh on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @05:01PM (#38385769)
By that standard, Search is also a diversification from ads.
Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by emodendroket on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @10:14PM (#38388781)
Sure. Why not.
Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by hot_gril on Thursday November 23, 2023 @02:04AM (#38390197)
But it's not a diversification from what they've always done.
Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by kevinventullo on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @08:04PM (#38387784)
You may wish to review Google’s sources of revenue. There is one source which contributes over 50%, and it’s not the ad exchange.
Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by oblio on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @08:14PM (#38387866)
HBO? No. NYTimes? Probably. All media is.
Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by emodendroket on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @10:16PM (#38388795)
Your ontology raises more questions than it answers, like how a streaming service/cable television channel is not "media" in your world.
Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by oblio on Thursday November 23, 2023 @03:43AM (#38390751)
Ok, rephrase the last part to "The vast majority of media is".

Even HBO is partially an ad company, I imagine their own shows include product placement.

Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by hot_gril on Thursday November 23, 2023 @02:42AM (#38390422)
HBO is paid programming with product placement at most, and NYT sells subscriptions that actually bring in the majority of their revenue. If it were 90% ads, I'd say yeah they might want to reconsider that.

YouTube has its own content while Search ofc doesn't, and its advertising model is different. I wouldn't lump it in with Search. But still, they've decided ads aren't enough and they need YT Premium subscriptions.