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Re:OpenAI investors keep pushing for Sam Altman’s return by foobarian on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @03:27PM (#38369572)
Assuming Altman has already signed paper with MSFT, how would this work exactly? Break whatever contract clause there was involved? Maybe it's customary to have an easy backout period in situations like this.
Re:OpenAI investors keep pushing for Sam Altman’s return by empath-nirvana on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @03:33PM (#38369665)
MSFT, presumably, is one of the investors that want him to stay at openai.
Re:OpenAI investors keep pushing for Sam Altman’s return by dymk on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @04:20PM (#38370344)
They offered him a job leading his own unit within MSFT, so that doesn't make sense
Re:OpenAI investors keep pushing for Sam Altman’s return by layer8 on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @04:04PM (#38370113)
Re:OpenAI investors keep pushing for Sam Altman’s return by tmostak on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @03:31PM (#38369628)
I assume if MSFT/Satya are supportive it won't be an issue.
Re:OpenAI investors keep pushing for Sam Altman’s return by ekosz on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @03:41PM (#38369762)
I think that's a large thing to assume. That announcement could also have been easily just damage control before the markets opened on Monday and nothing has yet to be truly hashed out and agreed on.
Re:OpenAI investors keep pushing for Sam Altman’s return by whimsicalism on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @03:34PM (#38369667)
I am not sure the enforceability of non-competes in California. They're certainly not for ordinary workers but I know that it is often enforceable in other places for executives even when deemed not for workers.
Re:OpenAI investors keep pushing for Sam Altman’s return by croes on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @03:38PM (#38369713)
I think parent means breaking the contract with MS if he returns to OpenAI.
Re:OpenAI investors keep pushing for Sam Altman’s return by whimsicalism on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @03:44PM (#38369809)
Right - which would be a non-compete.
Re:OpenAI investors keep pushing for Sam Altman’s return by blisterpeanuts on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @03:31PM (#38369639)
I wonder if Microsoft owning 49% of OpenAI vastly simplifies such a situation. Or maybe further complexifies it. It's fascinating to watch, anyway.
Re:OpenAI investors keep pushing for Sam Altman’s return by jacquesm on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @03:34PM (#38369673)
All they need is another 2% and at a measly two billion that would be an easy settlement. The board members get to save face and Satya is off to the races, employees happy, investors happy.

It could easily happen.

Re:OpenAI investors keep pushing for Sam Altman’s return by zepton on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @04:06PM (#38370126)
Microsoft couldn't control the OpenAI business even if it owned every unit of every LLC associated with OpenAI (except for the special units owned by OpenAI GP LLC, which is wholly owned+controlled by the non-profit). The operating agreement of OpenAI LLC (which actually operates the OpenAI business) specifies that OpenAI GP LLC (which is wholly owned and controlled by the non-profit) controls it regardless of how many units it owns. See https://openai.com/our-structure
Re:OpenAI investors keep pushing for Sam Altman’s return by agloe_dreams on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @03:50PM (#38369900)
What is interesting is that Sam noted that OpenAI board should go after his shares if he were to go off on the company...which implies some sort of ownership that others had no prior knowledge of.

What's the over-under of his shares being more than 2%?

Re:OpenAI investors keep pushing for Sam Altman’s return by papercrane on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @04:02PM (#38370077)
Based on OpenAI's structure, I would expect his equity would be in the OpenAI holding company, and not OpenAI Global, LLC which Microsoft is a minority owner of and the holding company is a majority holder. The holding company is what employees and investors have equity in.

If Altman had equity directly in OpenAI Global that would be really odd and go against OpenAIs previous disclosures.

https://openai.com/our-structure

Re:OpenAI investors keep pushing for Sam Altman’s return by ladon86 on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @04:11PM (#38370204)
That was a joke, the fact that he has no shares is the punchline.

He is basically saying they have no leverage to stop him speaking out once he’s been fired (which they might if he remained an equity holder).

Re:OpenAI investors keep pushing for Sam Altman’s return by croes on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @03:41PM (#38369759)
They can't simply by additional 2%
Re:OpenAI investors keep pushing for Sam Altman’s return by jacquesm on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @03:43PM (#38369785)
Why not? An emission could be done and whoever has the right to buy could pick it up. End of story.
Re:OpenAI investors keep pushing for Sam Altman’s return by papercrane on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @03:54PM (#38369950)
My understanding is the OpenAI holding company, which is controlled by the board of directors, owns 51% of the capped-profit company, with Microsoft owning the other 49%. There doesn't seem to be a scenario where Microsoft can buy a controlling interest without the boards approval.
Re:OpenAI investors keep pushing for Sam Altman’s return by jacquesm on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @04:17PM (#38370301)
Yes, hence the word 'settlement' in my original comment. As in: you ensure we get a controlling interest and we'll let you go quietly.
Re:OpenAI investors keep pushing for Sam Altman’s return by croes on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @10:52AM (#38380849)
MS doesn't have enough leverage to pull such move.

The board could decide to kill the company in MS not only loses a 10 billion invest but has to reconsider its whole artificial intelligence integration push.

Re:OpenAI investors keep pushing for Sam Altman’s return by jacquesm on Thursday November 23, 2023 @11:13AM (#38394332)
This comment didn't age well.

MS did have the leverage, and by offering jobs to 700 people at once they felt safe in their move to pressure the board in a way that I'm still quite impressed by. It's probably the most vivid example of the power of the workforce in the 21st century West.