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Re:Mansion Blocks Filled London with Stacks of Flats by jazzyjackson on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @02:43PM (#38368953)
I'm all for density, but can't modern architects stomach a little embellishment? The latest version of the mansion block lacks any markers that might allow one to be mistaken for a mansion.
Re:Mansion Blocks Filled London with Stacks of Flats by rwmj on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @03:39PM (#38369727)
Modern housing in the UK is ugly as hell. The only upside is it is so poorly constructed it won't be around for that long.
Re:Mansion Blocks Filled London with Stacks of Flats by nickdothutton on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @03:43PM (#38369789)
Ah yes, I too once owned a Barratt property. Now happily a mansion block dweller.
Re:Mansion Blocks Filled London with Stacks of Flats by baz00 on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @03:55PM (#38369981)
Yeah my place is falling to bits and it's only 10 years old.
Re:Mansion Blocks Filled London with Stacks of Flats by m463 on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @05:54PM (#38371698)
Re:Mansion Blocks Filled London with Stacks of Flats by DrBazza on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @03:38AM (#38376629)
1960s-70s: pebble dashing.

1970s-80s: stone cladding.

1980s-90s: cream brickwork, porticos

1990s-00s: boxes with white upvc windows, red tiles, garages

2020s: grey plague - grey windows, grey doors, grey plastic faux-wood cladding, grey roof tiles, car 'ports'.

The current awful trend would be hilarious if it wasn't actually dangerous. And by that I mean modern UK houses are very, very well insulated. And we recorded our first 40C temperature in England. There's a reason why houses in the Mediterranean are absolutely not grey, and are very definitely white. There have even been one or two TV programmes where they've measured these houses and apartments having indoor temperatures of high 20s low 30s C, long after the sun has set.

Re:Mansion Blocks Filled London with Stacks of Flats by reedf1 on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @04:39AM (#38377079)
I think you have a bit of a misunderstanding of what insulation is supposed to achieve.

If your home is meaningfully affected by the outdoor temperature it is very much not "well insulated".

Re:Mansion Blocks Filled London with Stacks of Flats by DrBazza on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @07:03AM (#38378105)
"insulation - noun [ U ] the act of covering something to stop heat, sound, or electricity from escaping or entering, or the fact that something is covered in this way"

In common language usage, UK houses are insulated to stop heat escaping in our mostly temperate climate for energy efficiency reasons, not to stop heat entering.

Everyone opens their doors and windows in the UK allowing the heat in. Aircon is rare, but increasing. So houses stay hot long after the afternoon peak.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62126463

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23180965

and so on.

Re:Mansion Blocks Filled London with Stacks of Flats by reedf1 on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @08:09AM (#38378649)
This issue with hot houses would be solved with better insulation. Better insulation would also increase energy efficiency in both hot climates and cold.

Probably best to refine your incorrect colloquial understanding of insulation with a more precise term, maybe something like heat retention.

Re:Mansion Blocks Filled London with Stacks of Flats by kamray23 on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @05:00AM (#38377212)
It could be. A well insulated home requires cooling of some sort to stay cool or it will heat up, as it contains heat sources and is well insulated. That gets harder as the outside temperature rises. This has nothing to do with the colour of the building, though. And it's not something you can ease by removing the insulation – that actually makes it worse as now the high outside temperature might just make the inside temperature even higher.
Re:Mansion Blocks Filled London with Stacks of Flats by theluketaylor on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @06:56AM (#38378035)
Insulation resists heat transfer in both directions. Extremely well insulated and air sealed homes resist heating up just as much as they resist cooling off.

Windows are a bit special in that you can get solar gain through them, but modern windows can have coatings that filter UV and IR from entering a building.

People and electronics are heat sources inside a home, but pretty minimal ones. Any reasonably speced ventilation system a modern home needs to exchange outside air will easily handle keeping a modern house cool.

Re:Mansion Blocks Filled London with Stacks of Flats by kamray23 on Friday November 24, 2023 @02:42AM (#38401496)
Most UV and IR doesn't actually need any real coatings. Glass just isn't transparent to that light, completely by itself. It's actually specifically the imperfections in said glass which cut out the most dangerous part of UV radiation, and it's the inherent temperature which messes with IR.
Re:Mansion Blocks Filled London with Stacks of Flats by odiroot on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @04:04PM (#38370102)
It's not about blocks. Post-war terraces and detached houses are totally bland as well.
Re:Mansion Blocks Filled London with Stacks of Flats by foota on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @03:57PM (#38369991)
Personally I'm a fan of brutalist architecture, but maybe it's nostalgia for my university.
Re:Mansion Blocks Filled London with Stacks of Flats by dublinben on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @04:48PM (#38370762)
Architects are usually all for embellishment and aesthetic details. By the time a design is actually built, all visual appeal has usually been value-engineered out, or fallen victim to the whims of local zoning officials.
Re:Mansion Blocks Filled London with Stacks of Flats by ethanbond on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @07:11AM (#38378171)
Embellishment is very rare in most architecture programs today. You can thank Corbusier, a criminal against humanity as far as I am concerned.
Re:Mansion Blocks Filled London with Stacks of Flats by WalterBright on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @05:08PM (#38371069)
They need gargoyles.
Re:Mansion Blocks Filled London with Stacks of Flats by dist-epoch on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @05:48PM (#38371608)
> architect and theorist Adolph Loos, in a 1908 essay called “Ornament and Crime,” dramatically declared that a lack of ornamentation was a “sign of spiritual strength.”

> Architects are terrified of producing so much as a fluted column, because they believe their peers will think they are stupid, nostalgic, and unsophisticated.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/10/why-you-hate-contempo...

Re:Mansion Blocks Filled London with Stacks of Flats by timerol on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @06:22PM (#38372041)
I opened the article after reading this comment, looked at the cover image, and thought you must be out of your mind. Then I scrolled down, and the newer images looked progressively worse. The South Gardens complex looks like it's afraid to be anything other than a box. There are balconies that give clear opportunities for a varied facade, but they look almost identical to everything else. (I say this as someone who heavily advocates for needing to build more in expensive cities. Bland boxes are way better than no new construction.)
Re:Mansion Blocks Filled London with Stacks of Flats by renewiltord on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @07:13PM (#38372608)
It's the classic problem: you dislike it but it won't make you support or oppose.

For the ones who hate buildings: they will oppose anything.

In a world like that, every bit of ornamentation is a novel handle you give someone who will use it to pull you down, and they're going to try to extract as much surplus value as possible out of the construction process through various mechanisms.

So the simple thing is, you say things but do not care, so those who build do so by listening to those who care.

Re:Mansion Blocks Filled London with Stacks of Flats by DrBazza on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @03:32AM (#38376570)
Developers never have a problem selling as they know that people will always buy apartments in cities, it's the inside that counts.

Adding fluff to the outside costs money, and in England these days, it's a race to the bottom to maximise profit and minimise cost. Council planners have little power to demand things on buildings outside of that which meets legislation requirements. Hence we're getting some pretty awful buildings, not just apartments, in existing suburbs that don't blend in at all.

Re:Mansion Blocks Filled London with Stacks of Flats by ethanbond on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @07:13AM (#38378176)
No it’s the land that counts. Location, location, location.

That’s why we should tax land and not tax development. Then all the upside of building a particularly nice place goes directly into the pockets of the people who choose to build a particularly nice place, instead of 70% of the value going to the landowner regardless of what piece of shit gets built on it.