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Re:.NET 8 – MAUI by amir734jj on Tuesday November 14, 2023 @10:39PM (#38273037)
Microsoft employee here. There is a lot of momentum behind MAUI so I am optimistic.
Re:.NET 8 – MAUI by lawgimenez on Tuesday November 14, 2023 @10:49PM (#38273110)
Oh? I work for one of the largest jobs site in Asia. Maui has only one entry for the year 2023. Not sure what momentum are you talking about.
Re:.NET 8 – MAUI by hackernate on Tuesday November 14, 2023 @10:56PM (#38273167)
Useful to know. So if I'm starting to build a new Windows app, what is Microsoft's recommendation?

Should I use MAUI? (https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/windows-dotne...) Or WPF? (https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/desktop/wpf/overvie...) Or WinForms? (https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/desktop/winforms/ov...) Or WinUI 2? Or WinUI 3? (https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/winui/#compar...) Or React Native for Windows? (https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/dev-environment/ja...) Or Blazor? (https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/apps/aspnet/web-apps/blaz...) Or Win32? (https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/desktop-prog...) Or even Xamarin? (https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/xamarin/)

I feel like I might have missed a few...

And how confident are you that my choice isn't going to be deprecated in a couple of years? I'm not certain that "momentum" is worth much from a company who changes UI frameworks as often as some people change underwear...

Re:.NET 8 – MAUI by addicted on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @12:08AM (#38273542)
Rookie mistake. The answer is obviously Silverlight.
Re:.NET 8 – MAUI by tonyedgecombe on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @03:37AM (#38274553)
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Re:.NET 8 – MAUI by danielscrubs on Thursday November 16, 2023 @02:21AM (#38286619)
I wonder why this is. Is it because management is asleep at the wheel? Is it because teams competes with each other without direction from the top? Is it because heavy rotation of leadership who doesnt know better?

Any insiders?

Re:.NET 8 – MAUI by oblio on Thursday November 16, 2023 @07:40AM (#38288851)
Re:.NET 8 – MAUI by DANmode on Tuesday November 14, 2023 @11:06PM (#38273244)
> There is a lot of momentum behind MAUI

Source?

Re:.NET 8 – MAUI by bmitc on Tuesday November 14, 2023 @11:16PM (#38273299)
I'm not entirely sure. SkiaSharp is the driver behind all the 2D graphics, isn't it? But the SkiaSharp repo is effectively unmaintained except maybe to support critical things for MAUI.
Re:.NET 8 – MAUI by ygra on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @01:56AM (#38274034)
SkiaSharp has some MAUI integration, but AFAIK it's not used to render things. At least not when I last looked. On most (all?) platforms native drawing methods are used (which fits well into how MAUI works on each platform, admittedly). This comes with the drawback that performance varies wildly across platforms, however. (NB: I've last looked deeply into MAUI about a year ago, so things may have changed.)
Re:.NET 8 – MAUI by sdflhasjd on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @03:40AM (#38274571)
MAUI renders by wrapping the native UI components on whatever platform (UIKit, Jetpack, etc). It doesn't use Skia for drawing.
Re:.NET 8 – MAUI by jiggawatts on Tuesday November 14, 2023 @11:18PM (#38273307)
There's like... zero momentum behind MAUI. The wider industry has learned their lesson and nobody in their right mind would ever use MAUI for a new GUI project unless Microsoft converts 80% of their applications to it.

The only decent GUI framework for Windows is Electron, which is based on Chromium.

Microsoft's new GUI applications use Electron: VS Code, Azure Data Studio, etc...

In other words: Google makes the best Microsoft Windows GUI framework, as endorsed by Microsoft's own developers.

Re:.NET 8 – MAUI by Xeamek on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @03:17AM (#38274451)
>The only decent GUI framework for Windows is Electron, which is based on Chromium.

Why not avalonia?

Re:.NET 8 – MAUI by braiamp on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @06:12AM (#38275482)
Ask that to Microsoft.
Re:.NET 8 – MAUI by brtkdotse on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @07:32AM (#38275960)
> The only decent GUI framework for Windows is Electron

What a peculiar way of spelling “WinForms”

Re:.NET 8 – MAUI by heisgone on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @10:32AM (#38277754)
Well, Microsoft ditched Electron for their new version of Teams.
Re:.NET 8 – MAUI by jiggawatts on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @05:44PM (#38283658)
The new framework for Teams is just an Edge-flavored version of Electron, not MAUI.
Re:.NET 8 – MAUI by electroly on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @01:32AM (#38273925)
You're talking about momentum within Microsoft, I assume? There's no detectable momentum in the community at large. The ball hasn't even begun to roll. I have not heard or seen anyone using MAUI for anything serious so far. I've been writing Windows applications for 25 years at this point and am certainly not considering MAUI any time soon. They only just added keyboard accelerators--this is obviously not serious yet. To this day we are still writing Windows Forms applications. I'd consider embedding Blazor before I'd consider MAUI.

Having lived through a lot of Microsoft GUI frameworks, I would say that I won't be fooled this easily. Not with another half-assed unfinished library. I'll be interested once it qualifies as whole-assed and not a moment sooner.

Re:.NET 8 – MAUI by nobodyandproud on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @08:21AM (#38276341)
Use Outlook 365 and Teams School and Work to prove MAUI, then we’ll take it more seriously.
Re:.NET 8 – MAUI by andydevguy on Wednesday November 15, 2023 @08:40AM (#38276481)
keep drinking that kool-aid.
Re:.NET 8 – MAUI by lenkite on Thursday November 16, 2023 @03:00AM (#38286850)
Which Microsoft Product is using MAUI ? Any MS Windows App being built in MAUI ?
Re:.NET 8 – MAUI by oblio on Thursday November 16, 2023 @07:42AM (#38288863)
Word, Excel, Outlook.

Just kidding, it's probably some intern's dashboard that monitors their Clippy staging environments.