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Re:An Open Letter to the FreeBSD Foundation, Core Team, Comm... by neilv on Friday November 03, 2023 @01:33AM (#38124921)
> the FreeBSD Discord Server, a community of over 3,000 members strong.

Was the adoption of Discord by the FreeBSD community controversial?

Re:An Open Letter to the FreeBSD Foundation, Core Team, Comm... by gerikson on Friday November 03, 2023 @01:48AM (#38125000)
I read that as a subset of the wider community. It does not seem to be officially endorsed.
Re:An Open Letter to the FreeBSD Foundation, Core Team, Comm... by grahamjperrin on Friday November 03, 2023 @02:47AM (#38125331)
https://www.freebsd.org/community/

Alongside Discord, we have the /r/freebsd subreddit; a Matrix instance (not yet listed); The FreeBSD Foundation on Mastodon (not yet listed); and so on.

The last update to the Community page was by me. In an ideal world: I'd now add what's missing. In reality: I chose to resign (my doc commit bit was taken in for safekeeping).

Side note: when I last checked, servers for The FreeBSD Forums were not (officially) hosted by The FreeBSD Project.

HTH

Re:An Open Letter to the FreeBSD Foundation, Core Team, Comm... by gerikson on Friday November 03, 2023 @03:16PM (#38133723)
Thanks a lot for expanding on this!
Re:An Open Letter to the FreeBSD Foundation, Core Team, Comm... by marwis on Friday November 03, 2023 @02:03AM (#38125094)
I find a lot of people older than, say, ~35 abhor Discord.

Just like a decade+ ago they thought web forums were vastly inferior to mailing lists.

And they were right on both counts =)

Re:An Open Letter to the FreeBSD Foundation, Core Team, Comm... by grahamjperrin on Friday November 03, 2023 @02:36AM (#38125253)
I'm a reluctant user of Discord for FreeBSD. I'm there only because it's a good community.

A good web forum is vastly superior to mailing lists.

Matrix, with suitable clients, is vastly superior to IRC.

I'm above the age of thirty-five by twenty-three years and three quarters.

I'm right on all counts ;-)

Re:An Open Letter to the FreeBSD Foundation, Core Team, Comm... by marwis on Friday November 03, 2023 @02:41AM (#38125292)
> A good web forum is vastly superior to mailing lists.

This is easily refutable - one can make a web frontend to mailing list that imitates the look of any forum. Getting forum into email client (or other frontend) not so much ;-P

And of course NNTP is superior to both.

Re:An Open Letter to the FreeBSD Foundation, Core Team, Comm... by grahamjperrin on Friday November 03, 2023 @02:54AM (#38125372)
I can refute the mailing list argument, but here's not the place for yet another argument about the pros and cons.

NNTP is not looking good for the Project. Please see, for example:

https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/192271/253798105-4...

At the time, mid-July: "twelve on-topic threads this year – overall, probably not bad enough to justify delisting."

NNTP looks far worse for other groups that are promoted.

Re:An Open Letter to the FreeBSD Foundation, Core Team, Comm... by marwis on Friday November 03, 2023 @05:55AM (#38126496)
This is more to do with how USENET is run rather than NNTP as a protocol.

Fundamentally there is very little difference between NNTP group and mailing list except the former having no spam filter and moderation.

It would be great if all mailing lists provided at least read-only access to archives via NNTP. I miss gmane as my one stop shop for all mailing lists.

Re:An Open Letter to the FreeBSD Foundation, Core Team, Comm... by grahamjperrin on Saturday November 04, 2023 @09:16PM (#38146995)
I used gmane.

Realistically, I can't use NNTP for things such as inline graphics e.g. screenshots.

Re:An Open Letter to the FreeBSD Foundation, Core Team, Comm... by jedberg on Friday November 03, 2023 @02:29AM (#38125215)
I abhor Discord but it has nothing to do with my age. It's their terrible security policies.

I wanted to join a Discord that required phone number verification. I gave them the number I've had for the last 24 years, and they said it was invalid because it is hosted on Google Voice. I asked for alternative authentication and they said, and I quote,

"Do you have a friend who doesn't use Discord? Can you just use their phone to verify yourself?".

Since then I've been very anti-Discord (but will still occasionally pop on because there are some interesting communities there).

Re:An Open Letter to the FreeBSD Foundation, Core Team, Comm... by marwis on Friday November 03, 2023 @02:37AM (#38125263)
That too is a problem but I hate it more for being a proprietary information black hole.
Re:An Open Letter to the FreeBSD Foundation, Core Team, Comm... by wkat4242 on Friday November 03, 2023 @03:38AM (#38125642)
That's why I love irc. I don't have to "verify" myself to any commercial org. I just make up a nick and go.
Re:An Open Letter to the FreeBSD Foundation, Core Team, Comm... by pjmlp on Friday November 03, 2023 @02:44AM (#38125320)
As someone approaching 50, I agree on both. :)
Re:An Open Letter to the FreeBSD Foundation, Core Team, Comm... by pbowyer on Friday November 03, 2023 @03:23AM (#38125546)
I'm approaching 40 and Discord makes me feel old. Like I have no clue how to use it.

I've joined multiple programming Discords. When I post, where am I notified of the new replies to me? Or new threads in reply to my messages? I'm convinced I'm missing replies, so end up scrolling up and down history trying to spot them.

I use Slack for a dozen programming Slacks and I get the UI and what's going on. Discord feels alien. Being able to trust the communication platform... that matters.

Re:An Open Letter to the FreeBSD Foundation, Core Team, Comm... by grahamjperrin on Friday November 03, 2023 @05:29AM (#38126340)
Slack is alien to me. YMMV :-)

Notifications in Discord are a PITA. And the rest, yeah.

Re:An Open Letter to the FreeBSD Foundation, Core Team, Comm... by baz00 on Friday November 03, 2023 @03:26AM (#38125563)
I'm a lot older than that and am on discord nearly all the time. It's just IRC that works properly.
Re:An Open Letter to the FreeBSD Foundation, Core Team, Comm... by grahamjperrin on Friday November 03, 2023 @02:37AM (#38125265)
Adoption was non-controversial.

It took me by surprise, but there was no controversy.

Re:An Open Letter to the FreeBSD Foundation, Core Team, Comm... by wkat4242 on Friday November 03, 2023 @03:36AM (#38125625)
It is to me yes because it's so commercial and privacy invading.

But I just use the irc channels. Or matrix which is just as good as discord and respects my privacy.