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Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by fasthands9 on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @01:23PM (#38088272)
Definitely - but it's still notable that he's doing this after voluntarily taking the stand.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by sieste on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @01:33PM (#38088432)
I really don't understand what the big deal is with "Do you remember saying 'these precise words'?" - "No, but it sounds like something I could have said." Given how human memory works, that should be the honest answer for everything anyone ever said more than 5 minutes ago. Why does the article turn this into a major gotcha?
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by TylerE on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @01:36PM (#38088479)
Lawyering 101 is you tell your client NOT To SPECULATE. You weren’t asked if it’s the sort of thing you would.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by mvdtnz on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @01:48PM (#38088660)
You don't recall anything you said more than 5 minutes ago? Even from prepared statements in court, or in rehearsed public speaking situations, or in one-off conversations with celebrity podcast hosts? I would suggest you see a doctor because that's not normal at all.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by closewith on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @02:12PM (#38089009)
I mean, there's plenty of evidence to show that we don't accurately remember what we said in all those situations. At best, we think we do.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by dheera on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @02:17PM (#38089093)
> I would suggest you see a doctor because that's not normal at all.

I'd suggest they do NOT see a doctor because it would be an evolutionary advantage in court, as well as lots of other places.

It's also just all-around generally good practice to live in the present, not the past.

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by mvdtnz on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @03:16PM (#38089988)
> It's also just all-around generally good practice to live in the present, not the past.

Maybe not when you're testifying under oath.

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by InitialLastName on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @09:37AM (#38098009)
Is it better to say "I don't remember that confession" or "I confessed" under oath?
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by HDThoreaun on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @06:55PM (#38092507)
SBF did hundreds of celebrity podcast interviews. It is in no way surprising to not remember quotes from them. That doesn't mean it's true, but it easily could be.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by RationalDino on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @01:59PM (#38088818)
Saying that it sounds like something you could have said opens the floodgates to why you could have said it. In this case, "Yeah, I could have admitted to a crime" is a quick way to go to jail.

So is saying you don't recall. Which is why people don't take the stand in their own defense. But scammers like SBF make their living off of being in front of people in hopeless situations, and finding a way to convince them. So of course they want to roll the dice. Which he did.

Unfortunately for scammers like SBF, courtrooms and lawyers are well-equipped to handle most of the tricks that scammers use. So the result of their testifying is like a street tough entering a BJJ gym and learning the hard way that chokeholds actually work.

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by steveBK123 on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @01:27PM (#38088328)
Yes, not a lawyer so maybe theres some nuance here but.. I don't get taking the stand voluntarily to just say "I don't recall" endlessly?

At some point does the judge tell you to GTFO and strike all your testimony? Can they instruct the jury in some manner harmful to you as a result of your obvious malign intent? Etc..

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by vkou on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @01:32PM (#38088403)
> Can they instruct the jury in some manner harmful to you as a result of your obvious malign intent? Etc..

The judge doesn't need to do anything, the jury should have no problem putting two and two together on their own.

Someone who makes up an elaborate story, but can't recall any of the details when cross-examined looks guilty as sin.

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by steveBK123 on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @01:50PM (#38088689)
Hopefully!

If SBF doesn't go down & spend time behind bars, its going to open the gates to a lot more fraud.

SBF did things that would make even the worst Wall St actors from the GFC blush. No arcane accounting/valuation rules, risk models, capital requirement arb, regulatory capture, misaligned incentives, loose prop trading rules.. letter of law vs spirit of law stuff, etc.

SBF committed the most open, direct, simple to understand version of all the fraud people imagined behind the GFC. Primarily he moved a substantial portion of customer deposits into prop trading accounts and then lost the money by trading poorly.

He literally lied about things like having insurance, seemingly didn't keep any true books & records (and asked for 7 variations of a balance sheet to find one that looked least bad).

You have emails where his dad that he hired as legal is approving transfers of customers money for uses like buying his parents a condo, lol.

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by Clubber on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @01:46PM (#38088628)
>I don't get taking the stand voluntarily to just say "I don't recall" endlessly?

He's taking the stand (which is a risk) because his lawyer asks him questions that are favorable to him. The risk comes in because the prosecutor gets to cross examine the witness, which is where all this recall stuff came from.

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by asimpletune on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @01:52PM (#38088727)
The main reason it’s a risk is because it allows new evidence to be introduced into the record to check his story.

Did you say X? (Yes/no/maybe) Well here’s an interview you have where you said the opposite.

Now a magazine article is part of the court record and can be weighed along with the other evidence.

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by steveBK123 on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @01:51PM (#38088720)
But isn't it "too smart by half" kind of move? Clearly the prosecution is quite good, and clearly SBF is quite guilty.

He is going to get dragged through the mud having to respond "I dont recall" to a litany of embarrassing questions.. both because the lawyer is good and because he did lots of embarrassing things, openly..

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by Clubber on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @06:46PM (#38092415)
I haven't been following this specific case, so take that for what it's worth.

>He is going to get dragged through the mud having to respond "I dont recall" to a litany of embarrassing questions..

Yes, but he isn't admitting to anything, confirming anything for the prosecution, or saying anything incriminating either and that's the trap of the cross examination when taking the stand.

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by beardyw on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @03:28PM (#38090176)
That would be perfect ammunition for an appeal.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by SilasX on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @07:51PM (#38092890)
I remember an answer from Quora about how lawyers handle such a witness on cross-examination: They say, “well, we have this evidence from the time saying you did/said XYZ. So you’re saying you can’t think of anything that would contradict that account?”
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by 0cf8612b2e1e on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @01:28PM (#38088346)
Does he also have perfect recollection for the defense’s questions before he gets struck by amnesia?
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by garciasn on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @01:42PM (#38088566)
I agree that agreeing to be questioned and then saying you don't recall endlessly is mostly absurd.

However, you know he has gone through hours of very recent prep with his defense lawyers about the specific questions he'll be asked by the team. So, it's not exactly fair to accuse him of having perfect recall for his defense lawyer's questions and not as much for the prosecution.

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by 0cf8612b2e1e on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @02:08PM (#38088954)
Surely the defense team would game theory the case and prepare for likely prosecution questions. Those are the hardest ones for which you need to prepare.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by beardyw on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @03:29PM (#38090196)
In that case you would remember.