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Re:'The early adopters have adopted': US carmakers slow thei... by mullingitover on Saturday October 28, 2023 @06:29PM (#38053992)
> We don't have a usable national charging network.

I feel like there's a big lever the federal government has its hands on that would solve this in record time:

Add a substantial gas station tax which is only applied to gas stations with fewer than two level 3 chargers, and watch how fast the national charging network happens.

It doesn't even need to cost the gas station anything. A vendor can foot the bill for installing the chargers and split the profits with the gas station. It would be a boon for gas stations, since EV charging customers are far more likely to generate foot traffic in their stores (where they make the majority of their money) than gas customers who just gas and go.

Re:'The early adopters have adopted': US carmakers slow thei... by geraldwhen on Saturday October 28, 2023 @06:36PM (#38054036)
Where do you live that this seems wise? Gas stations are dangerous, high crime places. One of the perks of an electric car, to me, is never going to a dangerous gas station again.
Re:'The early adopters have adopted': US carmakers slow thei... by psunavy03 on Saturday October 28, 2023 @06:38PM (#38054049)
Uhh . . . where do YOU live that getting mugged at a gas station is something to regularly worry about AND you can afford an EV?
Re:'The early adopters have adopted': US carmakers slow thei... by josephcsible on Saturday October 28, 2023 @07:07PM (#38054318)
Wouldn't San Francisco check both of those boxes? It's easier to afford an EV than to afford to live there, and it has a major crime problem.
Re:'The early adopters have adopted': US carmakers slow thei... by seanmcdirmid on Saturday October 28, 2023 @09:25PM (#38055060)
SF has a major property crime problem, getting mugged (at a gas station or otherwise) is more of a Texas/Deep South problem.
Re:'The early adopters have adopted': US carmakers slow thei... by josephcsible on Sunday October 29, 2023 @01:40AM (#38056052)
But remember that GGP just said "Gas stations are dangerous, high crime places." The word "mugged" came from someone else.
Re:'The early adopters have adopted': US carmakers slow thei... by jandrewrogers on Saturday October 28, 2023 @06:44PM (#38054111)
Where do you live that gas stations are "dangerous, high crime places"? That is extremely abnormal, I don't identify with that at all. Of the hundreds of different gas stations across the country I have frequented in my life, there have only been a couple that might be described as "sketchy".
Re:'The early adopters have adopted': US carmakers slow thei... by ghaff on Saturday October 28, 2023 @06:49PM (#38054155)
There are probably a few parts of a relatively nearby large city where I wouldn't go out of my way to gas up late at night. But I can't personally think of a time when concern for my safety was something I remotely thought about when getting gas.
Re:'The early adopters have adopted': US carmakers slow thei... by TheLoafOfBread on Sunday October 29, 2023 @03:29AM (#38056501)
No worries, it will be easier to get mugged on superchargers.
Re:'The early adopters have adopted': US carmakers slow thei... by darknavi on Saturday October 28, 2023 @06:33PM (#38054023)
Well until recently with the wide-spread adoption of NACS I am not surprised gas stations didn't make the leap.

Now there isn't much of a "technological ambiguity" excuse and they should be able to execute clearly.

Re:'The early adopters have adopted': US carmakers slow thei... by Analemma_ on Saturday October 28, 2023 @06:53PM (#38054200)
I think a more effective lever would be giving owners of apartments and other multi-families properties a property tax rebate if they install level 2 chargers. Particularly in cities, the lack of a place to charge your car in your apartment is a huge impediment to adoption. Property taxes are state revenue, but the Federal government could set up a program that makes states whole if they set up such a scheme.
Re:'The early adopters have adopted': US carmakers slow thei... by AmVess on Saturday October 28, 2023 @07:15PM (#38054368)
More tax is always a dumb, lazy idea. Make EV's more affordable, not ICE cars less affordable.

As it is, half the people with a driver's license in this country cannot afford a base model Honda Civic, much less an EV and its associated charging hardware. Taxing gas will put these people out of personal transportation altogether or make their lives all that much more difficult.

Re:'The early adopters have adopted': US carmakers slow thei... by mullingitover on Sunday October 29, 2023 @02:29AM (#38056255)
> More tax is always a dumb, lazy idea. Make EV's more affordable, not ICE cars less affordable.

The point isn't to raise revenue via tax, it's to incentivise creating a privatized national charging network and make EV ownership feasible. Making them affordable isn't sufficient. Offer the gas stations all the carrots: loans, easy regulations, profits from EV charging revenue. Offer the tax stick to the ones that won't modernize.