I believe this comment minimized the structure of spiritual experience in a hyperrational way, which is exactly as the GP comment warned against.

If your views in having a spiritual experience are exclusive to consuming psychedelic substances then you are minimizing what is available across the human experience in terms of spiritual explorations.

"If your views on crossing a river are exclusive to the usage of canoes then you are minimizing what is available across the human experience in terms of river crossings."

Somehow you turned someone's subjective spiritual exploration into them limiting themselves...

I believe you have misread my post. Powers that be continue to want me to not have mind altering experiences. I continue to have them anyway. So it goes.

But why call them spiritual experiences when hallucinations will do even better?

Potato tomato.

"Do people have ideas or do ideas have people?" might have something to do with the phenomenon of different humans preferring different labels for the same thing.

This is from Jung right? I've always been fascinated by his teachings, especially the collective unconscious. I'm just gonna leave a couple related quotes and ideas down here cause I want to.

Dostoevsky made observations like this, too.

"It was not you who ate the idea, but the idea that ate you"

"Men need to bow down to something; whether another man or an idea.”

I think Ernest Becker explored similar ideas in The Denial of Death, though through a different context.

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There are different implications though. One implies there's some meaning while the other does not.

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