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Re:FreeTube – The Private YouTube Client by 3cats-in-a-coat on Monday October 16, 2023 @07:42AM (#37898358)
As a user I also want to walk into a grocery store and walk out with everything and not paying. But is that bad, let's think about it?
Re:FreeTube – The Private YouTube Client by xorcist on Monday October 16, 2023 @08:12AM (#37898713)
Just like not reading every advertisement in the regular paper was always considered a crime?
Re:FreeTube – The Private YouTube Client by nonethewiser on Monday October 16, 2023 @08:56AM (#37899194)
But no one said not watching youtube ads is a crime.

The more accurate analogy would be reprinting a newspaper without the ads.

Re:FreeTube – The Private YouTube Client by travoc on Monday October 16, 2023 @09:07AM (#37899326)
No, it's more like cutting out the text of the articles with scissors. I did that all the time when I was a kid. Just like I used to record TV on a VCR and then fast forward through the commercials. Time shifting and content skipping has never been immoral.
Re:FreeTube – The Private YouTube Client by 3cats-in-a-coat on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @07:26AM (#37927199)
You don't need an ad blocker to "not read the advertisement" genius.
Re:FreeTube – The Private YouTube Client by _Algernon_ on Monday October 16, 2023 @07:53AM (#37898477)
I would have no moral qualms with doing that if I could make an identical copy of the products and leave with the copy.

That's the comparison that is most apt in this case.

Re:FreeTube – The Private YouTube Client by lm28469 on Monday October 16, 2023 @07:58AM (#37898543)
That's what we do with fruits and veggies so go for it!
Re:FreeTube – The Private YouTube Client by mcpackieh on Monday October 16, 2023 @01:11PM (#37902976)
You can't copy an apple from an apple, they're not true breeding.

Even if that weren't the case, you couldn't copy an apple in a grocery store anyway.

Re:FreeTube – The Private YouTube Client by ses1984 on Monday October 16, 2023 @08:00AM (#37898564)
In that case the grocery store is providing a service of aggregating and organizing all the products you want, and keeping them fresh. That’s not free. Even if the act of making a copy is free, there are a lot of expenses involved on the store side.
Re:FreeTube – The Private YouTube Client by candiddevmike on Monday October 16, 2023 @07:48AM (#37898423)
You wouldn't copy groceries
Re:FreeTube – The Private YouTube Client by jjgreen on Monday October 16, 2023 @08:08AM (#37898664)
You wouldn't shoot a policeman. And then steal his helmet. You wouldn't go to the toilet in his helmet. And then send it to the policeman's grieving widow. And then steal it again! Copying groceries is stealing. If you do it, you will face the consequences
Re:FreeTube – The Private YouTube Client by bad_alloc on Monday October 16, 2023 @07:42AM (#37898366)
Is stealing physical goods the same as removing parts of a video stream?
Re:FreeTube – The Private YouTube Client by izacus on Monday October 16, 2023 @07:48AM (#37898417)
Yes, when the service asks for money to see that video stream without those parts. Especially when that money finances the video creator and infrastructure costs for said service.

Your point really isn't such a "gotcha" as you think it is.

Use this smartarsery to support Nebula or PeerTube instead.

Re:FreeTube – The Private YouTube Client by DrScientist on Monday October 16, 2023 @08:24AM (#37898855)
So if I close my eyes during the ad, walk away and make myself a coffee, or switch my focus to another window while it's playing - is that illegal?

When I visit a web site for the first time, I don't remember agreeing to looking at/watching or reading the ads.

Re:FreeTube – The Private YouTube Client by _ZeD_ on Monday October 16, 2023 @08:01AM (#37898575)
so you never walk away or change station when there is advertising on tv/radio/billboards?
Re:FreeTube – The Private YouTube Client by anothernewdude on Monday October 16, 2023 @08:20AM (#37898802)
And? Some food places charge money for delivering the food to your home, it's not a crime to move the food yourself.

You've said nothing.

Re:FreeTube – The Private YouTube Client by anothernewdude on Monday October 16, 2023 @08:19AM (#37898785)
As a human, I want to get healthcare from a hospital and then walk out without paying, but that would be evil.
Re:FreeTube – The Private YouTube Client by vehemenz on Monday October 16, 2023 @10:05AM (#37900053)
Depends on the circumstances. Remember, moral reasoning isn't based on facts about the world, so anything goes if we elevate the right principles.
Re:FreeTube – The Private YouTube Client by anothernewdude on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @09:45PM (#37923934)
Just because you're thinking about morality doesn't mean it doesn't start in the world. The world always comes first. There's no void in which you float and do your thinking and then encounter reality.

Everything starts in public. That's where we learn language, how to live and how to reason, including about morality.

Re:FreeTube – The Private YouTube Client by jjgreen on Monday October 16, 2023 @10:10AM (#37900128)
Try somewhere with socialised healthcare. I've done that a couple of times.
Re:FreeTube – The Private YouTube Client by zo1 on Monday October 16, 2023 @08:09AM (#37898674)
My example is a bit of a contrived stretch, but laws are hard to reason about as they're not binary:

Someone that designed a robot that goes to the movie theater, sits in your seat, and streams the movie to your computer so you can go to the movies from home.

And then it also ends up not showing or "removing" the ads that get shown in the beginning of the movie before it starts.