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Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by throwaway11004 on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @02:02PM (#37835345)
The right to repair people are leftists (this is not a value statement about the merit of their ideas). They generally want more governmental regulation, such as the right to repair itself.

Usually their reason for that is to limit e-waste and unnecessary emissions. Thus I find it unlikely they wouldn't want this banned and fined.

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by ska on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @02:08PM (#37835418)
> The right to repair people are leftists

I think this is an oversimplification at best. Right-to-repair has huge support amongst e.g. farmers, who are not homogeneously left-leaning by any stretch.

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by throwaway11004 on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @02:16PM (#37835510)
If a farmer supports right to repair - a pretty significant regulation of business - they must be at least left leaning.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by eli on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @02:18PM (#37835537)
What a bizarre argument. I don't think "business regulation" is the only or even the primary dimension of the left vs right axis.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by ska on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @02:44PM (#37835850)
That's an idiosyncratic usage of left/right leaning.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by rootusrootus on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @02:56PM (#37835993)
The right is not significantly more opposed to regulation of business than the left, except in some shallow rhetoric. They just want the regulations to align with their own world view.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by strbean on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @02:04PM (#37835379)
I don't know about the political leanings of right to repair supporters on average, but there are prominent supports who I certainly wouldn't characterize as leftist. See Louis Rossman for example.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by throwaway11004 on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @02:19PM (#37835546)
From the Wikipedia page on Louis Rossman:

"He was initially completely against any restrictions by companies on farmers from repairing their equipment (which might have resulted in voiding the equipment's warranty). However, Rossmann later admitted that his opinions were not completely correct due to a lack of expertise in farming machinery; this came after he received mail from a John Deere employee stating how allowing farmers to tune their tractors can result in harm to themselves and possible violation of environmental laws.[14] "

This seems to confirm my point...

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by strbean on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @03:02PM (#37836064)
That's an atrocious Wikipedia article. They don't even pull a quote, they just reference a 30 minute YouTube video directly?

From what I can tell, the only relevant bit in that video is that he concedes he didn't know that tractor racing (tractor pulls) was a thing.

And thinking any environmental regulations should exist certainly doesn't place you on the left. Do you think Richard Nixon was a leftist?

Rossman spends about the same amount of time railing against regulation as he does supporting right to repair.

Right to repair is largely about protecting individual liberties and property rights.

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by titaniumtown on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @03:04PM (#37836091)
I don't think that confirms any "points" you've made at all.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by petsfed on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @02:30PM (#37835676)
I think a lot of folks use "leftist" in modern usage to mean "those who are further left than liberals". And that's where you're getting a lot of pushback. In terms of governmental regulation "you cannot use the judicial system to compel people to use your preferred avenue of repair" is pretty weak. I think there's a path to saying "there's no legal concept of 'felony contempt of business model'" is anti governmental regulation.

What I'm saying is that by casting right-to-repair as leftist (or rightist) just muddies the waters of what leftism is without providing any guiding context about why people might be for or against the right to repair. In any case, there's very few parts of the governmental-regulation spectrum that are unambiguously left or right.

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by Dracophoenix on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @03:26PM (#37836340)
> there's no legal concept of 'felony contempt of business model'.

It's a bad legal concept, but it exists: The DMCA

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by petsfed on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @04:18PM (#37836916)
I mean to say that the statement is anti-governmental-regulation in its expression.

Clearly, there is a legal concept of 'felony contempt of business model', as I did not coin that phrase myself.

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by Dracophoenix on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @07:36PM (#37839151)
Context missed. My apologies.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by LargeWu on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @02:04PM (#37835377)
It's must be some interesting mental gymnastics to equate "protecting consumer rights" to "state control".
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by throwaway11004 on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @02:12PM (#37835460)
Who guarantees protection of consumer rights if not the state? Again, I'm not saying it's a bad thing.

People mentioned farmers in your sibling comments, are those consumers? I thought they are not.

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by strbean on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @03:03PM (#37836087)
With respect to the farming equipment market, they are the consumers.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by sandworm101 on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @02:17PM (#37835520)
>> more governmental regulation, such as the right to repair itself.

Wanting more personal freedoms is generally considered a right-wing view. Creating a right to repair is about placing limits on corporations, not actual people. Try telling people that they can only use "original" parts in their guns and suddenly the entire NRA will be on the streets demanding a constitutional amendment in support of right-to-repair. This isn't a left-right political thing. It is a persons v. corporations issue, with government as the representative of the people.

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by throwaway11004 on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @02:20PM (#37835563)
The right wing view is that "corporations are (made of, owned by) people", that regulation of people (which includes corporations) is wrong and the state/government should be limited.

The gun people in your example decided to use governmental regulation to protect their personal freedoms - which is definitely a leftist stance. Now they are on the right, but what you said moves them to the left.

The reason the gun people support the 4th amendment and still are on the right is because it's not a regulation that affects people, it limits the state.

Again, I'm not saying it's wrong to be a leftist. I support the right to repair too.

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by willsmith72 on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @02:57PM (#37835996)
it's pretty classic, people creating new throwaway accounts to spout their garbage because they're too embarrassed to chance it being linked back to them.

what does that say about the quality of what you have to say?

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by rpmisms on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @03:02PM (#37836065)
That's false. I'm extremely (machine guns are a human right, the government got too big in 1777) libertarian-right, and right-to-repair is a sensible regulation that empowers individual agency and adds massive value to the economy.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by Kerrick on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @03:02PM (#37836069)
The right to repair isn't leftist for those who don't believe intellectual property is property. For those people, the laws prohibiting people from cracking lockouts on hardware they own and modifying the code running on their own equipment are the governmental regulation they're fighting against.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by Kerb_ on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @03:04PM (#37836099)
Put this on your main, homie. I dare you.