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Re:I’m not a programmer, and I used AI to build my first bot by blibble on Thursday October 05, 2023 @04:16PM (#37783742)
this works for the now as there was plenty of data to parasitise, sorry, train from

technology moves on

in 2030, when stackoverflow have folded due to lack of visitors, and all new data on new libraries/APIs are locked up beyond OpenAI's reach

how useful is the AI going to be?

the whole thing sows the seeds of its own destruction

Re:I’m not a programmer, and I used AI to build my first bot by JieJie on Thursday October 05, 2023 @06:04PM (#37784869)
I hear what you are saying. What I think that what you're missing is that subsequent conversations with AI, where humans and AI solve problems together, is what the next generation of AI is going to be trained on. That data is being collected every time someone interacts with a chatbot, which is why they are being provided — so many of them - as a free service.

It is, as before: if the service is free, you are the product.

That being said, I think that to the extent AI is an actually helpful product, as opposed to social media, public forums, or free video hosting, the tradeoff is way more worthwhile. In my most humble opinion. I'm sure your calculus will lead to different outcomes.

Re:I’m not a programmer, and I used AI to build my first bot by blibble on Thursday October 05, 2023 @06:07PM (#37784898)
only in very rare cases will the data from the interaction actually be useful for training, simply because the final version is rarely supplied to it

yes, it's asked to produce something, but it won't see the result after substantial effort required to actually make it work

the interaction is not going to be nearly enough to produce useful training data to replace e.g. stackoverflow

Re:I’m not a programmer, and I used AI to build my first bot by visarga on Friday October 06, 2023 @06:52AM (#37789094)
> if the service is free, you are the product

and if GPTBot can reach your site, you are the product, they would make you their product even if you don't use their free service

but now they are not allowed to complain when others train models on GPT-4 data, they can become someone else's product too - see Orca, TinyStories and Phi-1.5

Re:I’m not a programmer, and I used AI to build my first bot by jncfhnb on Thursday October 05, 2023 @06:26PM (#37785052)
Probably still very useful
Re:I’m not a programmer, and I used AI to build my first bot by bobsmooth on Thursday October 05, 2023 @06:31PM (#37785088)
>in 2030, when stackoverflow have folded due to lack of visitors, and all new data on new libraries/APIs are locked up beyond OpenAI's reach

Then I download the docs and feed it into the LLM I have running locally.

Re:I’m not a programmer, and I used AI to build my first bot by aperrien on Thursday October 05, 2023 @06:38PM (#37785141)
Even open source API's?
Re:I’m not a programmer, and I used AI to build my first bot by blibble on Thursday October 05, 2023 @06:40PM (#37785161)
what open source?

if the fair use lawsuit succeeds and copyright protection over open source is essentially terminated: what companies are going to open source anything?

Re:I’m not a programmer, and I used AI to build my first bot by dw_arthur on Thursday October 05, 2023 @07:40PM (#37785604)
Google/OpenAI or whoever will start paying experts to seed these systems with answers. Imagine paying twenty infectious disease experts to interact with your LLM for 6 months. That's chump change for one of these companies and they will be able to charge big bucks for access to the LLM.
Re:I’m not a programmer, and I used AI to build my first bot by mistrial9 on Thursday October 05, 2023 @08:17PM (#37785863)
MSFT / Bill Gates is famous for doing exactly this, except as "tiger teams" to make patents. This is the next round of that.
Re:I’m not a programmer, and I used AI to build my first bot by tpm on Friday October 06, 2023 @02:42AM (#37787816)
> in 2030, when stackoverflow have folded due to lack of visitors, and all new data on new libraries/APIs are locked up beyond OpenAI's reach

> how useful is the AI going to be?

In 2030 the AI can go and and search for the answer itself, by installing the environment in a container and trying to find a solution. It's something that is in some way possible even now, but probably not practical yet.

Re:I’m not a programmer, and I used AI to build my first bot by visarga on Friday October 06, 2023 @06:51AM (#37789086)
> this works for the now as there was plenty of data to parasitise, sorry, train from

>> parasitise

What else is data for?