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Re:Pythagorean Theorem Found on Clay Tablet 1k Years Older T... by WalterBright on Thursday October 05, 2023 @12:13AM (#37774841)
> Every group who ever managed to build a building with a rectangular foundation figured out the relation between the side lengths and the diagonal.

I don't see why that was necessary. You can get pretty far with eyeballing it and custom cutting to fit.

Re:Pythagorean Theorem Found on Clay Tablet 1k Years Older T... by saithound on Thursday October 05, 2023 @12:34AM (#37774936)
A "you" can, and for many individual "you"s that's the best one can do.

But groups of people, "they", who all build a lot, tend to have a few people who make these observations, and then the observations proliferate, because they are both way easier to use than the alternative hack-work, and yield much more aesthetically pleasing results. Especially in the stone age when you nornally don't have easy access to anything at all with a right angle (unlike in modern construction) and you build stuff out of clay bricks, where minor inaccuracies inevitably add up and make your life much harder down the road. Tying together three pieces of string with prescribed ratios, pull it tight was a very easy way to get a right angle compared to anything that came before.

It's necessary in the sense that stone age construction is so much easier if you know about it, and so much harder if you don't. Those who didn't come up with it didn't do such construction, because doing difficult things is harder than doing easy things.

Re:Pythagorean Theorem Found on Clay Tablet 1k Years Older T... by dylan604 on Thursday October 05, 2023 @12:51AM (#37775014)
>A "you" can, and many individual "you"s presumably did that, to general satisfaction

I was chatting with the person that was in charge of marking the fields for the local youth soccer league. I volunteered to help one weekend, and one of the first things he asked was if I knew what a 3/4/5 triangle was since it was the only way to know you'll be squared. I never did figure out to what level he was dead panning his joke or if he was even meaning for it to be a joke. Either way, I laughed.

Re:Pythagorean Theorem Found on Clay Tablet 1k Years Older T... by xxs on Thursday October 05, 2023 @04:39AM (#37776231)
3/4/5 is considered a wood working trick - that many beginners would not know (according to youtube, at least)
Re:Pythagorean Theorem Found on Clay Tablet 1k Years Older T... by dylan604 on Thursday October 05, 2023 @09:51AM (#37778607)
I learned it in geometry in like 10th grade. No wood involved.
Re:Pythagorean Theorem Found on Clay Tablet 1k Years Older T... by WalterBright on Thursday October 05, 2023 @04:13AM (#37776055)
You can easily accurately lay out a large square without knowledge of Pythagorean Theorem.

1. lay out a straight line 2x in length.

2. find midpoint (easy by drawing an arc with a string from each end point. Basic compass & ruler technique.

3. draw another arc from the midpoint, of radius 1x. Try different spots on the arc until it is equidistant from each of the endpoints of the line.

4. voila! an accurate right angle. Laying out the rest of the square is now trivial.

Re:Pythagorean Theorem Found on Clay Tablet 1k Years Older T... by gregjor on Thursday October 05, 2023 @04:36AM (#37776209)
I think you mean bronze age.
Re:Pythagorean Theorem Found on Clay Tablet 1k Years Older T... by saithound on Thursday October 05, 2023 @12:38PM (#37780779)
I don't think I do. I'm fairly confident that the people of the chalcolithic did enough large scale construction (and pottery and watching the night skies and so on) to have figured a whole lot of empirically accessible geometry out.

The _article_ happens to be about written sources from the Bronze Age Babylonians, which lets us glimpse at their accumulated knowledge. But there's no reason to believe this knowledge was particularly new at their time, and this was a clay tablet equivalent of an arXiv preprint.

Re:Pythagorean Theorem Found on Clay Tablet 1k Years Older T... by fsckboy on Thursday October 05, 2023 @01:10AM (#37775105)
> I don't see why that was necessary. You can get pretty far with eyeballing it and custom cutting to fit.

i'm not saying at all that I know the answer, but eyeballing and cutting is good for a patio, but on a ziggurat or pyramid scale it seems you don't do so much eyeballing or cutting, and more planning how much material and how many slaves you're going to need for how long, and where to put the doors so the passageways will meet up, that sort of thing.

Re:Pythagorean Theorem Found on Clay Tablet 1k Years Older T... by WalterBright on Thursday October 05, 2023 @04:07AM (#37776010)
I've seen many Mayan structures in Mexico, and they all look like they were eyeballed.
Re:Pythagorean Theorem Found on Clay Tablet 1k Years Older T... by posterboy on Thursday October 05, 2023 @09:12AM (#37778157)
I'm currently in a brick build house which has a good ten percent slope, because the earth sank, but it hasn't collapsed. I'm pretty sure its not older than a hundred years and I'm amazed it still stands because it sure wasn't designed like this.
Re:Pythagorean Theorem Found on Clay Tablet 1k Years Older T... by rebolek on Thursday October 05, 2023 @05:55AM (#37776667)
Please, stop this slave nonsense. Pyramids were built by highly skilled workers, it was prestigious job.
Re:Pythagorean Theorem Found on Clay Tablet 1k Years Older T... by PawgerZ on Thursday October 05, 2023 @09:36AM (#37778434)
I remember reading about the worker homes and tombs, and I know that skeletal records also showed the workers had much muscular strain. So, it's impossible to deny that there were skilled laborers working on the pyramids, but just because some of the laborers were proven to be skilled and not slaves, doesn't mean slaves weren't used.

The scale doesn't seem right to me. I still can't fathom how that much could be done without using slave labor. If I remember correctly, they layed a block like every 6 minutes for 20+ years.

Do you know how many tombs of laborers were found, or where I could find more aobut that information? I'm very novice when it comes to Egypt

Re:Pythagorean Theorem Found on Clay Tablet 1k Years Older T... by danjc on Thursday October 05, 2023 @04:30AM (#37776160)
I built a tree house for my kids. I didn't exactly eyeball it but my amateur technique and planning left me having to do a lot of compensation for things being out of square.

Everything becomes a custom cut, often in multiple dimensions and all earlier errors cascade all the way to the end.

Re:Pythagorean Theorem Found on Clay Tablet 1k Years Older T... by berkes on Thursday October 05, 2023 @06:15AM (#37776787)
> Everything becomes a custom cut, often in multiple dimensions and all earlier errors cascade all the way to the end.

Unrelated, but that sounds exactly like many software projects I've been unfortunately part of.

Re:Pythagorean Theorem Found on Clay Tablet 1k Years Older T... by ReptileMan on Thursday October 05, 2023 @05:20AM (#37776485)
Ancient Mesopotamian laws sometimes flayed people alive for incompetent or corrupt work. Those types of mild punishments are good incentive to use the right angles. Pun intended.
Re:Pythagorean Theorem Found on Clay Tablet 1k Years Older T... by WalterBright on Friday October 06, 2023 @08:39PM (#37798018)
Money works a lot better than flogging.