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Re:Pixel 8 to have seven years of Android updates by willseth on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @01:05PM (#37768218)
I don't know what Pixel replacement batteries cost, but Apple typically charges a flat $89 to replace an out of warranty battery, less than 10% of the cost of a new phone, which is a totally reasonable proposition if you think you can get at least another year out of your phone. Unless Pixels are dramatically more expensive, then this doesn't check out at all.
Re:Pixel 8 to have seven years of Android updates by KolmogorovComp on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @01:07PM (#37768238)
I think the point of the OP is that after ~5 years (when you have to change your battery), your iPhone is not worth $890 dollars anymore, but more like $200-$300, out of which $89 is a significant portion.
Re:Pixel 8 to have seven years of Android updates by sho_hn on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @01:40PM (#37768821)
Swapping the battery means you save the carbon footprint of manufacturing the non-battery parts, which have a pretty high cost to all of us in aggregate that should somehow factor into the "is it worth to keep it going" equation. I wonder how we can make that happen.

My current phone is an S21 that's facing a plethora of failures (screen damage, flaky USB-C connector, weak battery, back cover delaminating) that are all individually fixable, but altogether I also find it hard to resist the pull of getting a new phone at that stage.

But I feel increasingly really bad about not trying harder to go repair-first. Also because there's otherwise virtually no tech/feature reason to "upgrade" from something as recent as an S21 these days.

Re:Pixel 8 to have seven years of Android updates by phaer on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @01:11PM (#37768314)
Not sure why you would consider the suspected re-sale value of the phone here?

From a users perspective the question would seem to be whether they want to spend $89 for a battery or $890 (maybe minus that re-sale value of 200-300, so still around $600) on a new phone.

Re:Pixel 8 to have seven years of Android updates by fatfingerd on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @01:34PM (#37768707)
> whether they want to spend $89 for a battery or $890

No, they can pay less than $120 on a new phone in the budget tier which will be at least comparable in capabilities to a 5 year old phone in any tier and also have about 2 years of life.

Re:Pixel 8 to have seven years of Android updates by GeekyBear on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @02:08PM (#37769249)
If they are price sensitive, they would have gone for something like the $399 2016 iPhone SE, which is currently in it's seventh year of support, having gotten another security update last month.

That works out to around fifty bucks per supported year, and you aren't creating a mountain of e-waste by throwing away a perfectly good phone every other year.

Re:Pixel 8 to have seven years of Android updates by fatfingerd on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @06:37PM (#37772731)
Buying something like the Samsung A14 every 4 years would cost about the same and seems a lot more realistic than aspirational.

I think its great that phones are being supported for 7 years but in a way it is a marketing chip based on consumer's using unrealistic linear depreciation.

Some consumers can pass down, repurpose, or only need very basic things, but most consumers need much of the relative performance they first bought, break screens, can't handle embedded battery replacement logistics, etc, so most probably have replaced something like the iPhone SE before 4 years is up and are paying more than they would have expected.

Re:Pixel 8 to have seven years of Android updates by GeekyBear on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @07:54PM (#37773276)
> most consumers need much of the relative performance

The single core performance of the current Samsung A14 is about a third of the currently sold iPhone SE.

If you're going to keep the same device many years, don't buy something with slow performance right out of the gate.

Re:Pixel 8 to have seven years of Android updates by fatfingerd on Thursday October 05, 2023 @04:01AM (#37775974)
The A14 equivalent in 4 years is going to be faster than the current iPhone SE, not broken, and IMO more likely to survive the 3 years.
Re:Pixel 8 to have seven years of Android updates by GeekyBear on Thursday October 05, 2023 @06:55AM (#37777024)
Given Samsung's use of bottom of the barrel Mediatek SOCs and slow RAM? I doubt it.
Re:Pixel 8 to have seven years of Android updates by fatfingerd on Thursday October 05, 2023 @04:12PM (#37783706)
To me that's just a marketing induced cognitive blind spot. You don't have to know what $200 phone you buy in 4 years, but you want to harp on one 90% imaginary one you will hate when there's almost no chance a choice made 4 years in advance is better than all possible choices with actual information. If for example, mediatek continues to widen their gap then Samsung will choose another one that can match the last generation in Moore's law.

A refurbished iPhone SE 2023 that has a new battery and working screen is probabilistically worth more than the iPhone 2023 you buy today, and will be less than $200 unless there's a serious shortage because they have a high failure rate?

In my thinking the cost of similar products in an industry like tech is the best available estimate of how much environmental damage is involved (I.e. upgrading tooling is itself likely to produce waste) so planning to buy a $400 phone once every 7 years and actually buying one every 2 is much worse than trying to get 3-4 years out of what people have tried to make with popular runs of somewhat outdated commodity parts.

Re:Pixel 8 to have seven years of Android updates by deergomoo on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @02:13PM (#37769316)
I don’t know how happy many people would be going from a $900 flagship to a base-tier budget phone.

Granted it might be faster (though looking at Geekbench scores between budget Android phones [0] and the 5-year-old iPhone XS [1] I’m not overly convinced of that either), but the price of manufacturing “nice” doesn’t drop nearly as fast as silicon.

Budget phones often compromise on build and camera and screen quality (even though the latter two often look great on spec sheets) and I think the average person would notice that far more than raw performance.

[0] https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/13300565

[1] https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/8426067

Re:Pixel 8 to have seven years of Android updates by fatfingerd on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @02:40PM (#37769681)
Pixel 3:

https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/2900039

Aside from all the other problems a genuine pixel 3 battery is bellow 3000 mah, so like replacing your redmi battery with a defective one.

Re:Pixel 8 to have seven years of Android updates by _aavaa_ on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @01:09PM (#37768289)
Except this analysis is flawed since you're not going to find a new equivalent replacement for 200-300$
Re:Pixel 8 to have seven years of Android updates by notatoad on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @01:29PM (#37768631)
if by "equivalent" you mean a new modern flagship phone, then no, you won't find one. but a $200 new phone this year is at least the equivalent of a pixel phone from five years ago.

nobody's going to say that, for example, this isn't at least as good as a pixel 3: https://www.amazon.ca/OnePlus-Android-Display-Unlocked-Charg...

Re:Pixel 8 to have seven years of Android updates by HJain13 on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @03:16PM (#37770173)
>nobody's going to say that, for example, this isn't at least as good as a pixel 3: https://www.amazon.ca/OnePlus-Android-Display-Unlocked-Charg...

In terms of Camera, Haptics, Construction material it probably isn't

Re:Pixel 8 to have seven years of Android updates by kelnos on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @05:17PM (#37771925)
And the (Android) phone from five years ago won't be getting OS or security updates. Granted, your current phone that needs the new battery probably isn't getting them either. In which case, why not just pay $80 to get the battery replaced in your current phone?
Re:Pixel 8 to have seven years of Android updates by JohnBooty on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @01:14PM (#37768367)
Right, but you could sell (or more realistically, trade in) your phone for perhaps $200-300.
Re:Pixel 8 to have seven years of Android updates by _aavaa_ on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @01:19PM (#37768450)
I don't know if you've ever tried trading in an old phone, but nobody is giving you 200$ for a 5 year old phone.

But say they do. You now need to find a 289-389$ phone (which will cost you 89$ out of pocket) that gives you the same experience.

Re:Pixel 8 to have seven years of Android updates by argsnd on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @01:14PM (#37768365)
After 5 years you might...
Re:Pixel 8 to have seven years of Android updates by BossingAround on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @01:28PM (#37768614)
A 2nd hand one, that'll suffer the same battery issues at best
Re:Pixel 8 to have seven years of Android updates by _aavaa_ on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @01:16PM (#37768411)
Apple does not sell a 200$ phone. And 200$ android phones do not have the build quality of an 800$ one, even if it's 5 years old.
Re:Pixel 8 to have seven years of Android updates by turtlebits on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @01:35PM (#37768735)
You can find carrier locked iPhone SE's for $150, you can get a free iPhone with a postpaid contract as well.
Re:Pixel 8 to have seven years of Android updates by HumblyTossed on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @01:43PM (#37768867)
So? They're not investments. They're simply devices.

But, let's go with this. After ~5 years, phones will sell for $990 (up from 5 years ago @ $890). 990 - 250 (splitting the difference) is what ... 740? That's a LOT more than $89 (or even 99 in 5 years).

If my phone is still up to date and performant enough for my tasks, I would be stupid not to pay 99 vs 740.

Re:Pixel 8 to have seven years of Android updates by SirMaster on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @02:02PM (#37769154)
He said cost of a new phone though.

If we assume the user wants to buy a new phone in the same tier as the one they have now.

Re:Pixel 8 to have seven years of Android updates by kelnos on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @05:15PM (#37771908)
If so, that's a pretty disingenuous way to look at it. If I'm going to be comparing the cost of a battery replacement with an alternative, that alternative is going to be "buying a new phone". The depreciated value of my current phone is irrelevant.
Re:Pixel 8 to have seven years of Android updates by xslvrxslwt on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @01:19PM (#37768468)
Reasonable? $89? You don't realize you're in 1% of the world 's richest there in the US right? I replaced my 5000mAh battery myself for $12.

beat that big corpo licker.

Re:Pixel 8 to have seven years of Android updates by geodel on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @01:24PM (#37768534)
LOL, but all these non-richest people must buy an iPhone and replace it 89 dollars?
Re:Pixel 8 to have seven years of Android updates by kelnos on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @05:19PM (#37771955)
We're specifically talking about the kinds of people who will spend $700+ on a new phone. Those people can surely afford $89 to replace the battery a couple years down the line.
Re:Pixel 8 to have seven years of Android updates by ajonit on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @01:44PM (#37768882)
Would love to see what others have to say on this but I suspect Apple replacement batteries are inferior compared to the one that comes with the new phone. 4 years of usage and battery max capacity was around 76%. I replaced my iPhone X battery last year. The new one I got is at 86% already and it is not even 12 months. (No usage pattern change. I replaced it from an Apple Store.)
Re:Pixel 8 to have seven years of Android updates by kelnos on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @05:18PM (#37771943)
I wonder if that can be accounted for by the fact that the software of today is more taxing than it was four years ago. You're probably using more battery charge every day today than you were four years ago to do the same things. That increases wear on the battery and will reduce its lifetime.