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Re:ChatGPT can now see, hear, and speak – openai.com by jonplackett on Monday September 25, 2023 @05:52PM (#37651232)
I wonder when computers will start taking our intonation into account too. That would really help with understanding the end of a phrase. And there’s SO MUCH information in intonation that doesn’t exist in pure text. Any AI that doesn’t understand that part of language will always still be kinda dumb, however clever they are.
Re:ChatGPT can now see, hear, and speak – openai.com by hk__2 on Monday September 25, 2023 @05:54PM (#37651250)
Don’t they do it already? There are a lot of languages where intonation is absolutely necessary to distinguish between some words, so I would be surprised that this not already taken into account by the major voice assistants.
Re:ChatGPT can now see, hear, and speak – openai.com by bobsmooth on Monday September 25, 2023 @07:25PM (#37652161)
In English, intonation changes the meaning of the word but not the word itself. From what I understand, in tonal languages tone changes the whole word. I don't think ML understands that difference yet.
Re:ChatGPT can now see, hear, and speak – openai.com by fragmede on Monday September 25, 2023 @09:35PM (#37653220)
Yeah they do. I was able to get ChatGPT-4 to transcribe 我哥哥高過他的哥哥, which says that they can. I did have to set the app to Chinese, and the original didn't work so I had to modify what I said slightly.

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT86psPxY/

Roughly translated, my older brother is taller than that other guy's older brother.

Re:ChatGPT can now see, hear, and speak – openai.com by modeless on Monday September 25, 2023 @10:18PM (#37653497)
Of course speech recognition works for Chinese. What it doesn't do is transcribe intonation and prosody in non-tonal languages. It's not even clear how one would transcribe such a thing as I'm not aware of a standard notation.
Re:ChatGPT can now see, hear, and speak – openai.com by fragmede on Friday September 29, 2023 @04:21AM (#37700786)
IPA format should cover that, no?
Re:ChatGPT can now see, hear, and speak – openai.com by modeless on Saturday September 30, 2023 @01:12AM (#37712928)
Maybe? I thought IPA was just phonetic but I see that it does have some optional prosody stuff that could in theory cover some of it. I'm not sure how standard or complete it really is in practice.

I haven't heard of any large datasets of IPA transcripts of speech with the detail necessary to train a fully realistic STT->LLM->TTS system. If you know of some that would be interesting to look at.

Re:ChatGPT can now see, hear, and speak – openai.com by modeless on Monday September 25, 2023 @07:10PM (#37652021)
You're right. Ultimately the only way this will really work is as an end-to-end model. Text will only get you so far. We could approximate it now with screenplay-like emotion annotations on text, which LLMs should both easily understand and be able to produce themselves (though you'd have to train a new speech recognition system to produce them). But end-to-end will be required eventually to reach human level fluency.