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Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by amelius on Thursday September 21, 2023 @09:54AM (#37597651)
> The future is clear. It's gonna fall apart. I can already see it.

I wonder how he thinks of the future of animation now, after the introduction of StableDiffusion and others.

Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by lairv on Thursday September 21, 2023 @10:00AM (#37597738)
https://youtu.be/7EvnKYOuvWo?si=KjIPP5LtZvab_Ls5

Well he didn't seem very fond of it even before it was created

Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by caust1c on Thursday September 21, 2023 @10:09AM (#37597862)
Wow, thanks for sharing. Last line of that clip hits hard :(
Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by frozenlettuce on Thursday September 21, 2023 @10:14AM (#37597934)
I find it amusing given that in Princess Mononoke one of the villians loses an arm - does he sees that a punishment? Does he think that a bad person deserves that? Wasn't it also "disrescpectful" to his disabled friend? IMO that is just people making-up emotional arguments to trash the younger generation to keep them in control.
Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by morelisp on Thursday September 21, 2023 @10:36AM (#37598264)
What a profound misreading of both his comments on the animation and Princess Mononoke.
Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by peoplefromibiza on Thursday September 21, 2023 @10:44AM (#37598383)
> does he sees that a punishment?

No, that's what happens in nature when two different worlds collide. And you accept it, like Lady Eboshi does.

Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by hotdogscout on Thursday September 21, 2023 @11:25AM (#37599063)
>that is just people making-up emotional arguments to trash the younger generation to keep them in control.

I think Miyazaki's just an old conservative emotional man. He probably doesn't think very hard or rationally about his taste.

Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by kbelder on Thursday September 21, 2023 @03:14PM (#37602631)
Villain? Watch it again.
Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by im3w1l on Thursday September 21, 2023 @11:00AM (#37598662)
His comments seem to be more about the subject matter than the technique they used.
Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by lairv on Thursday September 21, 2023 @11:22AM (#37599019)
The "insult to life itself" indeed refers to the particular demo that they showed this day, but they also mention multiple times they want to make "computers that paint like humans" and HM doesn't show much more enthusiasm
Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by morelisp on Thursday September 21, 2023 @12:08PM (#37599749)
Except it's also telling that this is the subject matter they thought worth relating to him. "Look, isn't it amazing what we made the computer do?" To which Miyazaki's reply is to (correctly) probe the content for meaning, not materiality. He's not objecting to horror or disgusting things per se, but pointing out there's no point without the humanist part as well. Their project is ultimately artless, regardless of topic, and they pick this to show him because they're too dumb to see that in the first place. It's a blatant transposition of solutionism into the realm of aesthetics - they are enamored with their magic box but have nothing to actually say.
Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by barrysteve on Thursday September 21, 2023 @08:15PM (#37606239)
He appears to take on face-value the idea that computers can AND will do, every technique he does on paper.

Software, in fact, does not.

I wonder his response if he knew it.

Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by bowsamic on Thursday September 21, 2023 @11:05AM (#37598718)
They cut out the more brutal parts of his response
Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by dylan604 on Thursday September 21, 2023 @11:24AM (#37599057)
I loved this clip when I first saw it, and it's even more pertinent now to me, as it reinforces my own sentiments to what I'm seeing with AI generative imagery. Those guys at the end that are the ones clearly involved in making whatever that was, and are now just like WTF do we say now? You could just see them trying to pivot right then and there after that feedback. "It's something we'd never show in public" Then why are you showing it in this presentation? "what is your end goal" "We'd like a machine to paint like a human" And that animation was an example of that goal?
Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by perihelions on Thursday September 21, 2023 @12:00PM (#37599609)
That's disturbingly brutal for a professional interaction. I wouldn't want to work in an office where that's a thing that happens–whether it happens to me or watching it happen to someone else.

("Then you would never get to work for a genius like the great Miyazaki, haha!" Sure, I understand that. That isn't a novel observation: he's far from the only celebrity genius in the world who gets away with abusing their underlings, who's so great and amazing that people are willing to turn a blind eye to their personality issues. They say "never meet your heroes").

Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by class4behavior on Thursday September 21, 2023 @12:24PM (#37599985)
You need first to understand a perspective before you judge it. That's what cultural difference is and a lot of it is at play here. Good or bad, this is a different style of life. Not to mention that it is not unusual for executives or board members to have their personal priorities, especially in the art industry.

But, even in that context, they did a horrible presentation. At least from this clip they appear like full-blown nerds with low EQ who didn't consider what kind of person their senior they will present this to is like. Any fan could have told them HM wouldn't like the animation and it would not reveal what DL can do.

Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by debacle on Thursday September 21, 2023 @12:19PM (#37599894)
Respectfully, I've sat in meetings with 100s of VCs and most of them were far more "disturbingly brutal" than this.

There are serious people and unserious people.

Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by michaelt on Thursday September 21, 2023 @01:11PM (#37600697)
They show him a 3D rendered animation of a deformed humanoid struggling to move on the floor. Looks like something out of a zombie horror PC game.

They say it has no sense of pain, and that it's a horror beyond human imagination.

Miyazaki says whoever made it gives no thought to pain, and it's very unpleasant.

That just seems like he was repeating back pretty much what they said to him?

Also, I'm not familiar with Miyazaki's entire oeuvre, but he doesn't seem to be into zombie horror, or 3D? So kinda understandable that he wouldn't be interested in adopting a product where their number 1 demo was zombie horror.

Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by yakubin on Thursday September 21, 2023 @02:11PM (#37601597)
I watched the video and the only brutality I saw was the animation.
Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by barrysteve on Thursday September 21, 2023 @08:11PM (#37606200)
That's where all the value is, though. Miyazaki told you who he is, where he's going in life and how he plans to run his business in three minutes.

I'd prefer a moment of brutal harshness, packed with rich information like that. Over mealy-mouthed, information-less, repetitive nonsense, any day of the week.

Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by numpad0 on Thursday September 21, 2023 @02:24PM (#37601787)
I just realized that very few at global context had gone through the "insult to life" and crying Kawango meme moment before GenAI came out. That was a giant spoiler in hindsight, and tells how long forward Miyazaki just is in animation(and how horrible he is as an individual)
Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by Hamuko on Thursday September 21, 2023 @10:01AM (#37597756)
Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by anononaut on Thursday September 21, 2023 @10:42AM (#37598345)
I always thought this was a disingenuous moment to bring up when discussing the topic in recent times. Your linked video clearly shows what he was looking at -- how is that remotely similar to anything like Dall-E or Midjourney? Miyazaki would love Stable Diffusion. His statement does not at all summarize his stance on AI generated animation because he saw an ugly, miserable representation of what it can do. Timelines regardless. It gets me worked up.
Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by aeturnum on Thursday September 21, 2023 @11:21AM (#37599006)
> how is that remotely similar to anything like Dall-E or Midjourney?

Miyazaki did not say "I love this tech but it doesn't look good enough yet."

He actually doesn't comment on the quality of the animation at all. His comments are entirely focused on how he feels the technique lacks a human-ness that he thinks is important to art. An early effort you would like to see improved does not "disgust" you or make you feel the creators are "insult[ing] life itself."

Of course he could change his mind, but if you don't think his comments reflect a belief at that moment in time about machines creating art, I do not believe you've understood what he is saying.

Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by EatingWithForks on Thursday September 21, 2023 @11:13AM (#37598852)
I think you misunderstand the joy and pride that is an animator, which is in the nuances of the actual creation process which Stable Diffusion removes. We can also compare this to western shows like Arcane, where despite 3d modeling the shading and lighting was done by hand, to immense pride of the animators.

The problem with AI has been always that it removes from the artist the act the artist finds joy in, the work to create a beautiful final product, and leaves only the most boring and meh parts: contract negotiation, right fights, pay and attribution concerns, etc.

Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by nemothekid on Thursday September 21, 2023 @10:59AM (#37598638)
>Miyazaki would love Stable Diffusion

Not sure how you could confidently say this. Given that most artists and animators already have a disdain for generative AI, it's difficult to believe that the guy most unenthused about technology would love Stable Diffusion. The guy didn't even like CGI.

Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by whymauri on Thursday September 21, 2023 @10:58AM (#37598613)
>Miyazaki would love Stable Diffusion.

You don't know that.

Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by atentaten on Thursday September 21, 2023 @11:24AM (#37599051)
Why would they present that type of animation to show CGI capabilities when they could have presented something more positive?
Re:Nippon Television has just acquired Studio Ghibli by wodenokoto on Friday September 22, 2023 @05:02AM (#37609682)
He probably doesn't like it and that probably doesn't matter. In the documentary "10 Years with Hayao Miyazaki", it is said that Isao Takahata is the only director that Miyazaki has respect for and considers his equal or perhaps better.

Hayao Miyazaki is so caught up in his own vision that it seems like he doesn't have much room for appreciation of things outside of it. As such we shouldn't give too much weight on his opinion on things outside the kind of movies he wants to make.