New York Times Doesn’t Want Its Stories Archived

Re:New York Times Doesn’t Want Its Stories Archived by ano-ther on Sunday September 17, 2023 @08:37AM (#37544416)

As much as I like to read their articles for free - why should they?

They produce something of value and the standard way of making that happen in our society is to ask customers to pay. This enables them to put up the means of production and for example pay journalists and engineers.

Most of the work I do is also not free.

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Re:New York Times Doesn’t Want Its Stories Archived by eduction on Sunday September 17, 2023 @08:46AM (#37544476)

Is there any evidence anyone is using the internet archive to bypass the Times’ soft paywall?

Internet Archive is slow as hell. That would be a miserable way to read the Times. There are various higher performance ways to achieve the same result (eg disabling JavaScript for nytimes.com).

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Re:New York Times Doesn’t Want Its Stories Archived by Etheryte on Sunday September 17, 2023 @08:50AM (#37544509)

Internet Archive links are found in comments on HN all the time, not just for the New York Times, but for nearly any site using a paywall.

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Re:New York Times Doesn’t Want Its Stories Archived by bradyat on Sunday September 17, 2023 @08:58AM (#37544586)

You are confusing the Internet Archive and archive.ph, which are very different things

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Re:New York Times Doesn’t Want Its Stories Archived by eduction on Sunday September 17, 2023 @09:05AM (#37544654)

And archive.is which is the one I see here the most.

Ok now I understand so many of the replies in this thread.

For anyone else reading thei who doesn’t know: Internet Archive is archive.org aka the Wayback Machine. It takes like 10 seconds to load a page but has years old versions of pages.

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Re:New York Times Doesn’t Want Its Stories Archived by mrbombastic on Sunday September 17, 2023 @09:04AM (#37544640)

? No, many people do this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30154781

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Re:New York Times Doesn’t Want Its Stories Archived by mrbombastic on Sunday September 17, 2023 @08:51AM (#37544514)

I for one have done this and there are websites and extensions that do exactly that, take a url and return the archive url to bypass the paywall. As much as I love internet archive i don’t think it is debatable people use it for this purpose.

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Re:New York Times Doesn’t Want Its Stories Archived by throwanem on Sunday September 17, 2023 @08:49AM (#37544495)

A tidy argument, complicated by the fact that the NYT justifies its existence at least as often in terms of public good as of selling a product.

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Re:New York Times Doesn’t Want Its Stories Archived by afavour on Sunday September 17, 2023 @09:04AM (#37544644)

> justifies its existence at least as often in terms of public good as of selling a product.

I’d be troubled by that if they were also taking public money to do so (ie state subsidy), but they aren’t. So what they claim is kinda meh.

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Re:New York Times Doesn’t Want Its Stories Archived by JumpCrisscross on Sunday September 17, 2023 @08:56AM (#37544564)

> the NYT justifies its existence at least as often in terms of public good as of selling a product

It can be both. Public goods don’t have to be accessible to everyone to benefit society.

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Re:New York Times Doesn’t Want Its Stories Archived by 23B1 on Sunday September 17, 2023 @08:51AM (#37544520)

They shouldn't. But the Times is also notorious for changing things after-the-fact to better fit an editorial bias or to groom their own reputation. If they are indeed 'the newspaper of record' then unfortunately they need to be held to account for what I personally view as a violation of their duty to the fourth estate.

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Re:New York Times Doesn’t Want Its Stories Archived by JumpCrisscross on Sunday September 17, 2023 @09:04AM (#37544646)

They still have a print edition.

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