Here in the UK, I can’t recall a kid with a phone the same size or smaller as my iPhone 12. They all have their parents’ 12/13 Pro Max hand-me-downs!

They get whatever their parents had 1/2 years ago (and loads of people get the most expensive models)

Really - my kids have refurbed SEs - it was the form-factor they wanted.

There are multiple versions of the iPhone. What’s wrong with an iPhone SE? The latest version is 430$ retail, I’m sure you can find used for probably half the price.

iPhone 12s can be had for like 250 11s are like 100$ with the right promo

Honestly, its like the best iPhone. Can't understand this obsession with phablets and phones you can use as a ski hill because their cameras are so freakishly large.

To each their own. I certainly understand why the SE is a great phone for many people. For many people, the phone is their primary or only computer, and the size tradeoff makes more sense.

> because their cameras are so freakishly large

But those freakishly large cameras are what makes the tradeoff of a larger device worthwhile for me personally.

This phone’s size is nothing compared to my photography gear. The quality of photo/video I can get means I spend less time lugging the heavy stuff. It’s not a small phone by any means. But then again, I very rarely use it as a phone.

I like to think of it more like a Tricorder/universal computing device than a phone. But that’s just me.

Yeah, if its for photography obviously its a non-issue. I just take issue with the notion that the average user is a photographer for whom such a permanent physical reality is acceptable. Most people don't need their pictures to be "that good" that it justifies the several hundred extra g of weight and awkward physical format demanded to meet those demands.

I take issue with the notion that the average user even feels that extra weight in their pocket or finds the physical format difficult.

OK I don’t really take issue with it but still. I have a small child, I want photos of said child to be good. I care more about that than a little extra weight in my pocket.

Its not the pocket thats the issue, its the holding and using with one's hand(s) ergonomically and without causing long-term issues. Should have been more direct about that.

Also, TouchID for the win (not to unlock phone)

I guess that kid isn't getting an iPhone :-)

The way the kids see it, if you don’t have the blue box you are a nobody. Also having a non blue in a group chat messes everyone up

This rule applies to the US only. Everyone else uses WhatsApp.

The important commonality here being “not on iMessage”.

„just“ Europe, Middle East, India and South America (btw)

This is mostly apocryphal in the US as well, according to my school-age kids. They’ve been in many peer text chains over the years in several SoCal schools, and they’re invariably multi-platform (i.e. good ol’ green SMS/MMS).

That sounds like something kids say to exclude someone they don't like.

Kids find lots of reasons to exclude.

I have no iphone yet I have blue box. Thanks to beeper. Am I a cool kid now?