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Re:AOL Pretends to Be the Internet by cuttysnark on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @10:44PM (#37414130)
AOL had a 45 minute idle timeout, meaning you'd be logged out regardless of what was happening on your screen if you weren't moving the mouse or using the keyboard. This was a problem if you wanted to download files and have them in the morning.

Making my first "idler" in Visual Basic (which sent a string of whatever song was playing in Winamp to a random AOL chatroom where I was the only person) meant my inactive timer was reset every few minutes.

AOL, "progs", Visual Basic—and the "scene" in AOL chatrooms at that time—hold a special place in my heart.

Re:AOL Pretends to Be the Internet by syndicatedjelly on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @10:49PM (#37414157)
That was a nice slice of history, thanks for sharing.
Re:AOL Pretends to Be the Internet by demizer on Thursday September 07, 2023 @12:32AM (#37414794)
AOL gave me my love of programming. I learned how to program in Visual Basic because I wanted to write my own "aol prog". I can still remember the "server" in the Warez room listed VB3.0 as the "the software that is used to make progs". Luckily there were people sharing their code so I could study and figure out how to do it myself.

Me and my cousin created a yo momma joke spammer. I was a shit head back then, but it paid off being a nerd. But still, I did not learn about linux and free software until many years later because of AOL's shitty walled garden.

Re:AOL Pretends to Be the Internet by davely on Thursday September 07, 2023 @02:14AM (#37415341)
Hah! I remember running decompilers (of questionable utility) on various VB-created progs so I could attempt to reverse engineer them.

It definitely got me interested in programming and the early-ish days of being apart of an internet community.

An embarrassing aside: my parents used to give me birthday and Christmas presents that was an allowance of AOL minutes.

Re:AOL Pretends to Be the Internet by ShadowBanThis01 on Thursday September 07, 2023 @11:28AM (#37420376)
More embarrassing: My parents still pay for AOL. $40 a month. My dad is convinced that he’ll lose the 20,000 E-mails he has there if they stop paying.

And he worked in IT his whole career.

Re:AOL Pretends to Be the Internet by dbsmith83 on Thursday September 07, 2023 @10:46AM (#37419662)
Ahh good memories. This is how me and a friend got into programming. We would constantly feud though because he used VB, but I used delphi. Clearly, I was using the superior language :)
Re:AOL Pretends to Be the Internet by nirav72 on Thursday September 07, 2023 @04:56PM (#37425455)
Aohell is what got me into Windows dev stuff back in the day. Then discovered the warez room. Downloaded a copy of VB 3.0 and bunch of other dev tools. I think Borland Delphi and also Power Builder. Best thing about AOL was that even in the mid-90s, their email system held what seemed like an unlimited amount of multi-part binary files as attachments. So when you requested a warez in the chatroom, your inbox got flooded with like 30-40 emails with rar file parts. Like pretty much everyone back in those days on dialup, I'd start the download at night , so less chance of someone picking up phone and disconnecting my session from AOL. When I was college, it got easier. Because AOL added TCP/Winsock support to their desktop client. So I could just install AOL on unsed Comp Sci lab PC and then download all the email attachments at 1-2mbps.
Re:AOL Pretends to Be the Internet by yarone on Thursday September 07, 2023 @01:52AM (#37415206)
Ha, that scene is how I learned to program. Built a shareware tool called AoLOL! (available by going to keyword "Addon"), $14.95, got paper checks from all over the country! Then I met the ICQ founders...
Re:AOL Pretends to Be the Internet by krenzo on Thursday September 07, 2023 @03:19AM (#37415723)
"Uh oh!" So, what happened next?
Re:AOL Pretends to Be the Internet by jve on Thursday September 07, 2023 @07:07AM (#37417229)
Seems nothing much continued apart from declining to join and declining UIN #007 offer: http://www.yarone.com/2011/06/blast-from-past.html
Re:AOL Pretends to Be the Internet by nobleach on Thursday September 07, 2023 @10:14AM (#37419195)
I am certain I've seen that one. I loved AOHell and CreditWiz... and all the associated tools around that era.
Re:AOL Pretends to Be the Internet by jandrese on Thursday September 07, 2023 @02:07AM (#37415302)
That idle timeout was pretty important when AOL cost $1/hour (and it was the cheap service! Prodigy, Compuserve, and especially GEnie were more expensive!). Leaving it connected overnight would get you grounded in a hurry when that AOL bill came in the next month.

It was really no wonder that all of those services basically collapsed once dial up ISPs with flat (and low!) monthly fees started appearing. $10 for unlimited (modem speed) data is a steal in comparison.

Re:AOL Pretends to Be the Internet by RNAlfons on Thursday September 07, 2023 @03:13AM (#37415681)
I've been using AOL CD-codes up until the moment where I got my hands on some Compuserve code generator. The only cost which remained was for the local dial up. Good times. I personally thanked a Compuserve representative for their easy access at some fair. Didn't seem like he understood but I still felt better afterwards.
Re:AOL Pretends to Be the Internet by smcl on Thursday September 07, 2023 @03:19AM (#37415718)
I imagine everyone who was a kid during the dial-up times has a horror story of being confronted with an enormous phone bill by their parents. I remember mine going mental at me for costing us £40 one month (normal service was iirc ~£10)
Re:AOL Pretends to Be the Internet by georgeburdell on Thursday September 07, 2023 @03:38AM (#37415839)
I was a teenager on the tail end of dialup, so no hourly fee, but my parents got awfully mad if I tied up our phone line all day playing online games. They’d randomly call home a few times a day to ensure compliance.
Re:AOL Pretends to Be the Internet by smcl on Thursday September 07, 2023 @03:47AM (#37415904)
Yep I had that too :-)
Re:AOL Pretends to Be the Internet by euroderf on Thursday September 07, 2023 @03:22AM (#37415742)
Was the bill forgiven the first time (and the first time only) ? Good for customer relations.
Re:AOL Pretends to Be the Internet by smcl on Thursday September 07, 2023 @03:47AM (#37415900)
Nah but really the bill wasn't bad enough for that, and honestly I'm not sure that kind of PR move was very common before social media days (total guess). I just remember it because I had to give my parents the difference and as a 12-13 year old that £30 was a lot!
Re:AOL Pretends to Be the Internet by kolleykibber on Thursday September 07, 2023 @04:36AM (#37416233)
Good times. I built a wardialler out of one of those science fair 150 in one kits and an Atari st using an rs232 data line to bounce a relay. found plenty, but the fun ended when the 400 quid bill came in. Endless paper rounds.
Re:AOL Pretends to Be the Internet by jaystraw on Thursday September 07, 2023 @06:28AM (#37416965)
i've backspaced over trying to be nice but i don't think you a) could've made the dtmf tones, b) matched the impedance, c) modulated the serial signal even if you made a connection

please prove me wrong

Re:AOL Pretends to Be the Internet by Gracana on Thursday September 07, 2023 @06:52AM (#37417122)
They’re describing pulse dialing, not tone dialing. Totally doable using a toggleable serial port pin and some basic electronics.
Re:AOL Pretends to Be the Internet by grishka on Thursday September 07, 2023 @08:52AM (#37418189)
Nope, I don't. We mostly used prepaid internet service and I also had some very strict computer use allowances.
Re:AOL Pretends to Be the Internet by mk67 on Thursday September 07, 2023 @10:05AM (#37419086)
Yep, playing too much Quake online I hit a record 500 EUR phone bill once (1000 deutsche Mark back then). My parents weren't amused. :D
Re:AOL Pretends to Be the Internet by inversetelecine on Thursday September 07, 2023 @10:46AM (#37419660)
Accidently dialing an non-local number for AOL ended up getting me banned from the family PC for a month. Long distance charges were expensive. (US)

Then we were in Germany in the late 90s and even local calls cost money so one had to be wary of how many hours you were online. Eventually we got flat-rate and ISDN 64k and then 128k but it wasn't long after that we moved back to the US.

Re:AOL Pretends to Be the Internet by jandrese on Thursday September 07, 2023 @11:31AM (#37420428)
I discovered that my phone company had numbers in the same area code that were "medium distance". You dialed them like a local call, but they would inflate your phone bill in a hurry. It wasn't easy to figure out if a number would be in that zone either. I had to cancel my first ISP after getting the monster phone bill at the end of the month. Luckily they weren't full up long distance or it would have bankrupted me, also lucky that I only joined the ISP in the middle of the month.
Re:AOL Pretends to Be the Internet by lproven on Thursday September 07, 2023 @07:22AM (#37417348)
> That idle timeout was pretty important when AOL cost $1/hour

Let me guess: are you American?

Brit here. Our phonecall connection charges were a lot more than that. The ROTW pays for local calls as well as long-distance. $1/hr would have been great. I paid closer to $1/min for dial-up. We all used OLRs: Offline Readers. An app that dials your service provider, posts all outgoing messages, grabs all new messages into a file, zips it, downloads it and any pending file downloads, then hangs up.

They were great and all message reading was local, hence fast: no lag at all, even on 14.4kb/s.

But CI$ ones were rubbish and AOL didn't have one at all, 'til it went toll-free in about 1998.

I am still [email protected] to this day.

Re:AOL Pretends to Be the Internet by flerchin on Thursday September 07, 2023 @10:03AM (#37419060)
TIL that Brits used America Online.
Re:AOL Pretends to Be the Internet by lproven on Thursday September 07, 2023 @12:19PM (#37421298)
AOL UK launched in 1996. My account is a journalist's complimentary one from back then.

It was a worldwide service which is why it rebranded as "AOL".

I don't really use it any more, but one of its half a dozen alternate account names is still my mother's primary email address.

Re:AOL Pretends to Be the Internet by bdavbdav on Friday September 08, 2023 @05:18AM (#37431388)
I’m sure we fairly quickly (as in fairly quickly after 56k became a thing) had zero call rate ISPs who just charged a small monthly. We used to use FreeUK (eventually taken over by Clara), and had a second line dedicated to it.
Re:AOL Pretends to Be the Internet by lproven on Friday September 08, 2023 @07:16AM (#37432104)
Yes, it did come, you're right.

It was about 15 years or so after the BBS boom in the USA, though, which was driven by free local calls.

Re:AOL Pretends to Be the Internet by albrewer on Thursday September 07, 2023 @01:20PM (#37422325)
I used NetZero, which was an ad-supported dial-up provider. The only cost was the phone call, which was local, so not very expensive.
Re:AOL Pretends to Be the Internet by VBprogrammer on Thursday September 07, 2023 @03:44AM (#37415879)
Ha, that reminds me of one of my first useful programs. In the early days of the internet my dad picked up a internet contract which allowed you to dial in on a toll free number; it was pretty cheap per month but the only catch was while dialled in they displayed a banner along the top of the screen with advertising. Using the win32 API in VB I was able to find the handle to the window kill it.

The only problem then was that tying up the land line constantly got on my mum's nerves, being back in the days before land line numbers were redundant for other reasons.

Re:AOL Pretends to Be the Internet by Bluecobra on Thursday September 07, 2023 @08:06AM (#37417721)
Yep, there were a few of free dial up ISPs that came and went like BlueLight and NetZero. I took a more crude approach to work around the banner and used Internet Connection Sharing in Win98 from a second PC and kept the monitor off.