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Re:Honda targeting 50% weight reduction with EV solid state ... by jedberg on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @11:18AM (#37323515)
Hopefully this means they are thinking of making an all-electric minivan.

I love my Honda minivan, but its biggest issue is that 95% of the time I'm doing a short drive which is just killer on the engine and the environment.

Next year there are a bunch of electric minivans coming out, but they are all of the "2nd tier" vans, ie not the Toyota or Honda, which are sort of the gold standard of minivans.

The moment either of them drop an all-electric, I'll be like that meme with Fry shouting "take my money".

Re:Honda targeting 50% weight reduction with EV solid state ... by cjrp on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @11:37AM (#37323789)
Minivans seem like a great fit for PHEV. Short trips could be all-electric, and the longer ones powered by an ICE running efficiently at highway speeds.
Re:Honda targeting 50% weight reduction with EV solid state ... by jedberg on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @11:39AM (#37323824)
Yeah, I could even get excited about a hybrid Honda van, as it would meet pretty much all my use cases.

But for some reason the company that basically did hybrid first for some reason won't do it anymore.

Re:Honda targeting 50% weight reduction with EV solid state ... by reducesuffering on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @11:58AM (#37324068)
Toyota really did hybrid first. Honda has lagged on hybrids their whole existence. And the Toyota Sienna minivan is a hybrid.
Re:Honda targeting 50% weight reduction with EV solid state ... by auxym on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @12:12PM (#37324229)
Not plugin though, at least not yet. AFAIK the Chrysler Pacifica is the only plugin minivan on the NA market at the moment.
Re:Honda targeting 50% weight reduction with EV solid state ... by tacomadome on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @12:12PM (#37324235)
The Honda Insight came 2 years before the Prius. I’m still bitter because it came in manual, which no other hybrid since has.
Re:Honda targeting 50% weight reduction with EV solid state ... by papercrane on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @12:24PM (#37324421)
Toyota released the Prius first, but it was exclusive to Japan until 2000. The Insight was available in North America first by few months.
Re:Honda targeting 50% weight reduction with EV solid state ... by TYPE_FASTER on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @02:57PM (#37327139)
Yeah, a PHEV Sienna would be outstanding.

Chrysler makes a PHEV version of the Pacifica, but only in FWD and I'm looking for AWD.

Re:Honda targeting 50% weight reduction with EV solid state ... by JshWright on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @11:32AM (#37323712)
As much as I dislike domestic minivans, I've really liked our Pacifia Hybrid. It covers that "95%" just fine in the summer (in the winter the resistive heat (and general cold temperature impact) takes a toll on range).
Re:Honda targeting 50% weight reduction with EV solid state ... by jedberg on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @11:38AM (#37323801)
We looked at the Pacifica hybrid when we bought ours, but that year (2017) it was brand new and the mechanic recommended against it until Chrysler had a chance to work out the kinks in their hybrid technology.

If I had to get a new van today, I'd consider it (or their all-electric next year).

Re:Honda targeting 50% weight reduction with EV solid state ... by toast0 on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @11:53AM (#37323999)
I have a 2017 gas Pacifica, purchased in 2016, and yeah, I would suggest not getting a first model year vehicle.

The PHEV might be nice, but you lose the underfloor storage and can't fold the middle seats into the floor.

Re:Honda targeting 50% weight reduction with EV solid state ... by darrylb42 on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @12:50PM (#37324952)
The seats in the PHEV are nicer than the folding seats in the gas model and the pop out pretty easily. We have the passenger one out full time, easier to get to the kids in the back and allows for more storage when travelling.
Re:Honda targeting 50% weight reduction with EV solid state ... by cogman10 on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @11:36AM (#37323781)
I'd imagine a EV minivan would use a heat pump instead of a resistive heater. That'd have a much smaller toll on the winter range.
Re:Honda targeting 50% weight reduction with EV solid state ... by JshWright on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @11:41AM (#37323856)
Yeah, if it was a pure EV I suspect that's the route they would have gone. As a plug-in hybrid, it matters a lot less (since you only have ~30 miles of battery range anyway).
Re:Honda targeting 50% weight reduction with EV solid state ... by smileysteve on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @12:12PM (#37324225)
Why would a PHEV use a resistive heater instead of running the engine cooling system?
Re:Honda targeting 50% weight reduction with EV solid state ... by droopyEyelids on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @02:29PM (#37326700)
Generally plug-in hybrids run off the battery, like an electric car, until they discharge it and need the engine.
Re:Honda targeting 50% weight reduction with EV solid state ... by Pxtl on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @11:41AM (#37323842)
Is there no PHEV in the minivan space? I drive a PHEV Prius with a 40k electric-only range and it's great for guilt-free short trips without being a 2-tonne brick of batteries.
Re:Honda targeting 50% weight reduction with EV solid state ... by jedberg on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @12:01PM (#37324109)
There is the Toyota and Chrysler, both of which I would consider if I had to get a new van right now. But in 2017 there wasn't a viable option.
Re:Honda targeting 50% weight reduction with EV solid state ... by seltzered_ on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @12:12PM (#37324223)
The Toyota Sienna isnt a PHEV, at least not yet.
Re:Honda targeting 50% weight reduction with EV solid state ... by jedberg on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @12:44PM (#37324823)
My understanding is that the Toyota is easy to hack into a plug in so I count it, but you're right, technically it isn't.
Re:Honda targeting 50% weight reduction with EV solid state ... by ptmcc on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @12:15PM (#37324272)
Yes, merely a 1.75 ton brick of batteries, among other parts

Which is actually pretty inline with a typical midsize sedan. People really underestimate how much cars weigh. But EVs are indeed pushing it up even higher. A breakthrough on reducing battery weight would be enormously beneficial all around.

Re:Honda targeting 50% weight reduction with EV solid state ... by Pxtl on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @12:37PM (#37324691)
Yeah, I was being a bit hyperbolic (and metric) and the a PHEV is only about 15% difference in curb-weight between comparable full-EVs, but that's not nothing.