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Re:Things I tried to improve sleep by vincelt on Friday August 25, 2023 @06:37AM (#37260105)
True, failed to mention that I never drink caffeine after 2pm. I never understood how some people can have a coffee in the evening and go to bed just fine.
Re:Things I tried to improve sleep by FirmwareBurner on Friday August 25, 2023 @06:39AM (#37260112)
>I never understood how some people can have a coffee in the evening and go to bed just fine

By building tolerance and genetics.

Re:Things I tried to improve sleep by amelius on Friday August 25, 2023 @06:43AM (#37260137)
Regarding genetics, are there enzymes that some people lack, and that they can take to digest caffeine better?
Re:Things I tried to improve sleep by pillefitz on Friday August 25, 2023 @06:49AM (#37260185)
This one https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CYP1A2. I've read somewhere that eating Broccoli enhances its activity, but likely too much is needed to have noticable effects from what I recall.

If only there was a short-acting stimulant and antidote available as a combo..

Re:Things I tried to improve sleep by salad-tycoon on Friday August 25, 2023 @07:26AM (#37260475)
Of course, that’s called a speed ball. An upper and downer. Also poppers and screamers and small world.

“We buy drugs” whitest kids u know : https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I2AQ6FwpSrc

Anyways, in all seriousness the idea of taking something and then taking something else later to counteract the effects, not good but popular in black, gray, and white market.

I think this weekend I’ll give up caffeine, I’m a slow metabolizer.

Re:Things I tried to improve sleep by pillefitz on Friday August 25, 2023 @02:57PM (#37265763)
I was thinking more in terms of actual antidote by either binding the active substance or speeding up its metabolism, rather than having two substances acting in opposing directions.

Anyway, I gave up caffeine earlier this year and am quite happy with the results. Steady and calm energy, no frantic meandering of thoughts, no clinging to details anymore. Once every few weeks I'm craving the euphoric buzz and drink half an Espresso, but typically regret it later the same day as I'm unable to sleep and, interestingly, tend to wake up in the middle of the night for a couple of days after.

Re:Things I tried to improve sleep by amelius on Friday August 25, 2023 @07:31AM (#37260507)
> If only there was a short-acting stimulant and antidote available as a combo..

I know that energy drinks use taurine to combat some of the effects of caffeine, but I don't think it will work for sleep.

Re:Things I tried to improve sleep by fjfuvucucuc on Friday August 25, 2023 @06:48AM (#37260174)
And age. I used to do this fine in my 20s. 30s not so much.
Re:Things I tried to improve sleep by growingkittens on Saturday August 26, 2023 @07:11AM (#37271707)
Or by having ADHD - coffee before bed can give me just enough focus to fall asleep.
Re:Things I tried to improve sleep by Lewton on Friday August 25, 2023 @06:48AM (#37260180)
2pm might not be early enough. Depending on genetics the half life of caffeine in your system can vary by a lot. Even if you're in the normal range, a half life of 4-6 hours means that ~25% of the caffeine would still be in your system by midnight...

If you're that worried about sleep quality, it's baffling you have not tried cutting out caffeine altogether

Re:Things I tried to improve sleep by garrickvanburen on Friday August 25, 2023 @02:27PM (#37265389)
No caffeine after 10am here.
Re:Things I tried to improve sleep by balfirevic on Friday August 25, 2023 @06:26PM (#37267788)
None of the statements "no coffee after XX" make sense without specifying when you go to sleep.
Re:Things I tried to improve sleep by garrickvanburen on Saturday August 26, 2023 @08:19AM (#37272153)
I’m not sure the marginal difference between say 8p and midnight is material with a 10a cutoff.
Re:Things I tried to improve sleep by RoyalHenOil on Saturday August 26, 2023 @06:52PM (#37277637)
For me, caffeine aids sleep. I find it much easier to make myself stop excessively thinking about things when I am caffeinated.

However, if I have caffeine too early in the day, it makes it harder to clear my mind and sleep that night than if I had no caffeine at all.

For this reason, I aim to only have caffeine after 3pm (preferably later, depending on when I plan to go to bed).