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Re:the US climate law is fueling a factory frenzy. Here’s th... by senkora on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @05:12PM (#37153904)
It’s at the point for me, where I assume that any years where the Republicans control government will be years where nothing happens.

The Republican party runs on several broadly unpopular or unwise policy platforms (anti-abortion, anti-weed, anti-welfare, anti-healthcare, anti-immigration, anti-science) and is hesitant to actually implement any of them for fear of igniting opposition.

Recently they’ve taken the side-channel of stuffing the courts and then legislating from the bench, since judicial appointees are immune to voter pressure.

Time will tell how this all plays out for the Republican party. In the short-term, it causes tremendous damage to our institutions.

In the long-term, my best guess is that the current Republican platform will collapse within 10-20 years as the current leadership ages out, and there will be a phase change where the Republican platform recrystallizes around a more modern set of conservative values that appeals more to younger voters. The party itself will likely survive because the two-party system is too stable.

Re:the US climate law is fueling a factory frenzy. Here’s th... by rayiner on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @05:26PM (#37154091)
> In the long-term, my best guess is that the current Republican platform will collapse within 10-20 years as the current leadership ages out, and there will be a phase change where the Republican platform recrystallizes around a more modern set of conservative values that appeals more to younger voters.

Trumpism is the modern set of conservative values that appeals more to younger voters. Trump was the one that killed GOP efforts to privatize social security and cut Medicare, and he’s been critical of the party’s more extreme positions on abortion.

We just had an election where the GOP won 3 million more votes than Democrats. Trump and Biden are tied in national polling: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4155482-biden-trump-vi...

Meanwhile, Democrats have managed to fend off Trump only through a coalition that includes AOC, most of Silicon Valley and Wall Street, and Liz Cheney. How long do you think that’s sustainable? Democrats have been forced into a neoliberal corner where they can’t actually do anything liberal (raising taxes, criminal justice reform, welfare expansion).

Re:the US climate law is fueling a factory frenzy. Here’s th... by maxerickson on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @05:41PM (#37154265)
If Trump gets convicted we might never get another infrastructure week.
Re:the US climate law is fueling a factory frenzy. Here’s th... by dragonwriter on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @05:46PM (#37154325)
> Democrats have been forced into a neoliberal corner

Democrats jumped there headfirst led by Clinton in 1992, and have not, since then, been any farther out of a “neoliberal corner” than they are today (which is not that far, to be sure, but its absolutely not the case that its something they recently backed into in response to Trump.)

Re:the US climate law is fueling a factory frenzy. Here’s th... by rayiner on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @08:08PM (#37155546)
Bill Clinton started it, but Obama’s bank bailouts and Hilary Clinton’s stirring defense of globalization deepened the shift.

Just look at the electoral map. Obama beat Romney by about the same margin as Biden beat Trump. But Obama’s margin in Michigan was 10 points, while Biden’s was 3. Obama’s 7 point margin in Wisconsin evaporates to 1 point.

Where did those other votes come from? To a significant degree, it was from affluent suburbs were the management class lives. Democrats now are utterly reliant on the very people they need to heavily tax to deliver any of their progressive promises. You can’t have a meaningful liberal party which counts among its base Silicon Valley, Wall Street, and Fortune 500 executives.

And it shows. Supposed democrats will now happily say we need immigration so we can have cheap strawberries. And they’ll embrace social ideas that alienate non-college educated working class people, because their priorities are different. A Facebook engineer can make whatever theoretical statements he wants about universal paid paternity leave. But at the end of the day, he or she gets 5 months from a big profitable corporation, and has no incentive to make the political compromises necessary to advance such a policy.

Re:the US climate law is fueling a factory frenzy. Here’s th... by ddd00001 on Thursday August 17, 2023 @08:55AM (#37160845)
Democrats are in a weird position where they're relatively moderate in terms of economics, but arguably the furthest left major party in the world in terms of social issues. The latter is turning off non-college educated of all ethnicities.
Re:the US climate law is fueling a factory frenzy. Here’s th... by rayiner on Thursday August 17, 2023 @12:31PM (#37164227)
Even more so when you look past the platform to what they can actually accomplish with the AOC-to-Jamie Dimon coalition they’ve put together. They got a temporary child tax credit through the Trump administration, but couldn’t even make it permanent when they got a trifecta.

Social issues are really the only thing where the party is unified and can push through changes, especially through the administrative state. We didn’t get a permanent child tax credit, or paid family leave, but we did get abortions and DEI in the military.

Re:the US climate law is fueling a factory frenzy. Here’s th... by rhuru on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @05:53PM (#37154392)
Trump is the least anti-abortion president from GOP.

His core support groups are anti-immigrant groups like CIS, FAIR and NumbersUSA. What is common between all these groups ? They are all founded by John Tanton one of the most pro-abortion and eugenics supporting individual in USA and also responsible for some of the initial Planned Parenthood organizations.

Tucker Carlson was the person who first wrote about this connection 15 years ago.

Trump's key aides like Stephen Miller, Bannon, Lee Cissna, Chad Wolf, Cucinelli all came from the umbrella of pro-abortion Tanton groups.

Re:the US climate law is fueling a factory frenzy. Here’s th... by ceejayoz on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @06:03PM (#37154486)
> Trump is the least anti-abortion president from GOP.

Arguing this when it was his three court picks that removed the fifty year old right to an abortion in this country is just a bizarre assertion. Whatever his words, personal positions on the issue (I don't doubt he's paid for a few), etc., he's been the single most effective for anti-abortion folks since Roe v. Wade.

Re:the US climate law is fueling a factory frenzy. Here’s th... by rayiner on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @07:50PM (#37155418)
Trump appointed the same justices any Republican would have appointed. Pretty much any Republican who went to law school after the 1980s opposes Roe on principle. The idea that the Supreme Court can’t just make up new rights is something that united legal conservatives, fiscal conservatives, and social conservatives.

Six week abortion bans are a different matter, both legally and practically. That’s where Trump (and many other business-oriented conservatives depart from the religious conservatives). There’s a reason the Mississippi test case in Dobbs was a 15-week ban with exceptions.

Re:the US climate law is fueling a factory frenzy. Here’s th... by rhuru on Saturday August 19, 2023 @02:18AM (#37186081)
> his three court picks

Court picks aren't political hacks. Trump elected fantastic SC judges all conservative, recommended by key Conservative and Libertarian think tanks and their judgement is very much rooted in principles. Congress should consider making abortion the rights.

I do not like the judgement either but I think it was a very good judgement perfectly in alignment with the US constitution and law.

Re:the US climate law is fueling a factory frenzy. Here’s th... by dragonwriter on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @06:05PM (#37154502)
> Trump is the least anti-abortion president from GOP.

Maybe personally and up until he started to run for 2024 maybe even rhetorically. But a lot of that is because other GOP politicians wanted the issue evergreen, as a perpetual carrot to dangle in front of the social conservative electorate.

Trump's the one taking victory laps for delivering on it via the people he put on the Court, and that's not something that just happened randomly or accidentally.

Re:the US climate law is fueling a factory frenzy. Here’s th... by rayiner on Thursday August 17, 2023 @05:43PM (#37168529)
What is "it" referring to? Overturning Roe? Six week bans? Total bans?

Remember, Roe did not say "abortion should be permissible sometimes." It created out of thin air a right to elective abortion until viability, and made that the law in all 50 states. It was an aberration in the developed world both procedurally (the ECHR has consistently refused to recognize a "right" to abortion, leaving it to legislation) and substantively (few countries allow elective abortion up to viability).

Trump is taking credit for overturning Roe--a case virtually everyone who is still a Republican agrees was wrongly decided. But at the same time, he's advocating substantive abortion laws that reflect the center of public opinion: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/trump-repu....

It cannot be stressed enough, moreover, that the abortion laws Trump is advocating, which generally reflects public opinion, were impossible under Roe.

Re:the US climate law is fueling a factory frenzy. Here’s th... by ddd00001 on Thursday August 17, 2023 @08:54AM (#37160830)
Not sure what you're talking about re: "criminal justice reform" - we've had an experiment on that in the last decade that has led to absolute disaster. Low level crime has increased, and now violent crime is increasing.
Re:the US climate law is fueling a factory frenzy. Here’s th... by jimbob45 on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @05:20PM (#37154013)
So soon have we forgotten about 2006-2008 and 2018-2020? The most difficult part about all this is that no one on Capitol Hill was talking about bringing manufacturing back to the US before Trump and he was laughed at by every Democrat in Congress for wanting to do so. Then, suddenly, once they gain power, the Democrats want to bring back manufacturing.
Re:the US climate law is fueling a factory frenzy. Here’s th... by mgkimsal on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @05:37PM (#37154214)
> he was laughed at by every Democrat in Congress for wanting to do so

No, he was laughed at because he's sort of a buffoon, and steel tariffs just raised the cost of everything for people using steel; it didn't have any big impact on 'steel jobs'. It didn't create big demand for more US-made steel. That said, IIRC, they're still in place, and current admin should remove them (perhaps gradual removal over 2 years?)

He did nothing meaningful to spur US-based manufacturing, despite talking a big game. But that was basically Trump all over. (attempting to not get too political here)

Re:the US climate law is fueling a factory frenzy. Here’s th... by phone8675309 on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @05:47PM (#37154344)
I don't think that's fully fair - George W Bush really ramped up the weapons manufacturing sector in the US by invading two sovereign countries on false pretenses and killing many civilians through sanctions, regular bombings, and drone strikes.
Re:the US climate law is fueling a factory frenzy. Here’s th... by Guvante on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @05:32PM (#37154148)
> During President Obama's 2012 reelection campaign, he told voters that manufacturing jobs would be a crucial part of the American economy's resurgence. His administration set a goal to “create 1 million new manufacturing jobs by the end of 2016.”

Why pretend that Trump was the first person to talk about creating manufacturing jobs when it has been a hot political topic since the first time jobs started disappearing in the US?

Re:the US climate law is fueling a factory frenzy. Here’s th... by mcculley on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @05:28PM (#37154113)
I don't remember Trump pushing any kind of new manufacturing. He was pandering to existing domestic manufacturers with the dumb tariffs.
Re:the US climate law is fueling a factory frenzy. Here’s th... by mgkimsal on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @05:33PM (#37154161)
Oh, he talked about it, a lot, but the only effort I ever noticed was, as you say, tariffs. Tariffs seems punitive, and when there's no other option to purchase, you import and pay the tariff anyway.

The Biden push for requiring federal purchases to have more 'made in USA' components seems a combination of stupidly simple, long overdue, and easy to understand. Govt requiring more stuff made in the US - and giving some tax cuts to help spur it - seems like it's a basic way to ignite manufacturing stateside.

Re:the US climate law is fueling a factory frenzy. Here’s th... by mcculley on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @05:39PM (#37154232)
> you import and pay the tariff anyway

Yes, I recently wrote about my own frustration with this: https://enki.org/2023/08/01/steel-prices/

Re:the US climate law is fueling a factory frenzy. Here’s th... by voisin on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @05:44PM (#37154294)
> I assume that any years where the Republicans control government will be years where nothing happens.

Now now, I think you are being too generous. In fact, it takes a lot of effort to actively set the country back socially, culturally, and environmentally. Give credit where credit’s due. They work (in reverse) hard.

Re:the US climate law is fueling a factory frenzy. Here’s th... by aapl88889 on Thursday August 17, 2023 @09:00AM (#37160896)
It's incredible how one can look at San Francisco, Detroit, Oakland, Baltimore and Chicago and say with a straight face that Democrats manage better.
Re:the US climate law is fueling a factory frenzy. Here’s th... by voisin on Friday August 18, 2023 @10:41AM (#37176314)
I was referring to the national level, and yes I would say Clinton, Obama, and Biden performed objectively and significantly better than Bush Sr, Bush Jr, and Trump.
Re:the US climate law is fueling a factory frenzy. Here’s th... by tptacek on Friday August 18, 2023 @01:29PM (#37179115)
The mayors of most large cities in the US are Democrats, including Dallas, Houston, Charlotte, Columbus, Jacksonville, Memphis, Jackson, Atlanta, Birmingham, and Indianapolis. Not just your favorite punching bag cities.
Re:the US climate law is fueling a factory frenzy. Here’s th... by jesserosenthal on Friday August 18, 2023 @02:54PM (#37180411)
I might have missed one but it looks like there is only one city (Miami) with an NFL team and a Republican Mayor. Las Vegas has an independent, former Dem. That list of team cities is:

Arizona (Phoenix), Atlanta, Baltimore, Buffalo, Carolina (Charlotte), Chicago, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Dallas, Denver, Detroit, Green Bay (and Milwaukee), Houston, Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Kansas City, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Miami, Minnesota (Minneapolis, St. Paul), New England (Boston), New Orleans, New York, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, San Francisco, Seattle, Tampa Bay, Tennessee (Nashville), Washington D.C.