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Re:Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad ... by Workaccount2 on Monday July 31, 2023 @01:56PM (#36946391)
The trickle down effects of Apple being a $3T corporation that is widely beloved and did it all on the back of a fiercely guarded walled garden.
Re:Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad ... by matt_s on Monday July 31, 2023 @02:40PM (#36947005)
Back in the days when TiVo was a thing, I built a MythTV box including all the troubleshooting of a capture card, X windows settings, getting a remote to work, etc. to the point where my non-tech spouse could use it like a set top box. It even looked like a set top box. This was when Netflix was DVD by mail.

The last Windows laptop I bought bricked itself in a week, the Amazon stick needed constant reboots, I don't care about side-loading apps/widgets/software on my devices - I want them to be like my refrigerator and just work. AppleTV devices are much better than others. Once you're in the Apple walled garden things are much easier on me as an end user. There are seamless transitions from device to device if I want, sharing between them is a breeze. Sure other platforms are "open" or might have more advanced features, but I don't want to waste my time doing tech support having the BeenThereDoneThat™ patch.

Re:Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad ... by HWR_14 on Monday July 31, 2023 @02:10PM (#36946564)
The difference is I feel Apple's walls protect me as well as their profits. I do not feel the same about Amazon/Microsoft/Meta/Google.
Re:Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad ... by kccqzy on Monday July 31, 2023 @02:12PM (#36946585)
Thank you for admitting that you are still under the influence of Apple's reality distortion field.
Re:Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad ... by LargeTomato on Monday July 31, 2023 @02:24PM (#36946749)
I'm in the Google ecosystem but I agree with the sentiment. Apple has no financial incentive to collect my data. Since they've begun differentiating themselves through their emphasis on privacy I think they have a financial incentive to protect my privacy.
Re:Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad ... by jacooper on Monday July 31, 2023 @02:55PM (#36947196)
They do, apple sells ads too.
Re:Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad ... by drdaeman on Monday July 31, 2023 @02:55PM (#36947201)
> Apple has no financial incentive to collect my data

They simply understand most of your data isn't worth anything, it's a liability rather than an asset. They know it'd be a waste of energy and customer relations to peek into most of it, so they don't bother. They collect what they can readily use (such as your purchase history - they're pretty open about it), and don't care about the rest (spying on your conversations or photos in hope to build a marketing profile is still a cyberpunk fantasy).

And because they don't do this, there's no reason not to capitalize it by advertising themselves as some privacy guardians. Not doing so would be a waste.

Google and Facebook are failing, because they bought this "big data big brother big money" meme which they rode cheerfully while the hype was high, and now it's time for a realization. When contenders who say "we don't track you" perform no worse (or even better) than all those data hoards that were supposed to predict future, it's a sign that immense worth of personal data was overhyped.

Re:Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad ... by katbyte on Monday July 31, 2023 @03:21PM (#36947522)
They also make money on hardware not advertising - that data is useless to their core revenue streams (and might actually hurt them) where Facebook and google sell ads
Re:Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad ... by gamblor956 on Monday July 31, 2023 @03:02PM (#36947294)
Apple has tried and failed several times to launch advertising services based on user data. Their current lack of motivation is due to those failures, not to the lack of a desire to make more money from exploiting user data.
Re:Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad ... by HWR_14 on Monday July 31, 2023 @02:38PM (#36946962)
If you had any reason it was bad for me, feel free to present it.
Re:Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad ... by ygjb on Monday July 31, 2023 @02:50PM (#36947143)
It's less an issue of the reality distortion field, and more the issue that Apple hasn't been co-opted by the allure of advertising dollars. That's going to change, with projections of revenue growth just from advertising expected to go from $5.3B to ~$20B (industry expectations), and regulations like the Digital Markets Act explicitly going after their walled garden.
Re:Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad ... by tnel77 on Monday July 31, 2023 @02:53PM (#36947180)
Are you going to provide an actual counterpoint or just be snarky?
Re:Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad ... by tristan957 on Monday July 31, 2023 @04:05PM (#36948039)
How does Apple keeping you sideloading apps protect you?
Re:Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad ... by jon_adler on Monday July 31, 2023 @04:38PM (#36948439)
It removes an attack vector and thereby increases device security?
Re:Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad ... by HWR_14 on Monday July 31, 2023 @04:54PM (#36948656)
If Apple allows sideloading apps in any way that is easily accessible to the average user, then

(a) Meta will insist their apps are sideloaded to enable privacy violations. Right now, they cannot say goodbye to iOS users. They could say goodbye to the small percentage that refuse to sideload (or even just put a worse version in the store to those people with enough new features to push most people to sideload.).

(b) Chrome will be sideloadable. Which means web developers will be convinced "sideload Chrome" is a reasonable fix. Reinforcing spiral and soon Google owns the browser in a way that is the envy of 1990's Microsoft. Keep in mind they managed to turn MS's Edge from a third browser to a Chrome skin. That's bad (see Manifest v3, WEI, etc.).

The list goes on, we could talk about Epic and games and store exclusives.

To say nothing about having to debug malware on my family's devices.

Re:Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad ... by fennecfoxy on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @09:27AM (#36955669)
I suppose there's some truth to that as long as you recognise that for Apple, profits come first. This whole new "private & secure" thing on their end is pure marketing/business.

They didn't give two shits about it until they realised that it was a major issue of their competitors, now it's become their core features/marketing. But don't think for one second that the protective wall won't spring a leak or two if it can make Apple a profit.

Apple's dominance also comes from them cornering every possible market they can, they want to do everything themselves and monopolise as much as possible, their recent step was designing their own processors, the debacle with them trying to make their own cellular modems etc. Maybe they'll go for displays next but Samsung et al are so far ahead on that game.

Re:Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad ... by joshl32532 on Monday July 31, 2023 @02:21PM (#36946701)
What does this have to do with Apple's "walled garden"?

They are able to charge 30% of app revenue because they can. They are a for profit company.

Amazon Fire did not do that because nobody uses it. Now that it has some traction, lo and behold, they want their cut as well.

If anything, Roku is the direct competitor (low cost streaming stick) and they take 30% ad revenue. But Apple gets the blame. lol.

Re:Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad ... by intelVISA on Monday July 31, 2023 @02:02PM (#36946450)
I love Apple, their white walls keep me safe; they even open and read all my letters (bins) for me to double check I'm safe :)
Re:Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad ... by neaumusic on Monday July 31, 2023 @02:01PM (#36946441)
I personally think Apple does things correctly, and they do charge a premium, but they sell good products rather than requiring more of your time and energy (ads)
Re:Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad ... by candiddevmike on Monday July 31, 2023 @02:02PM (#36946459)
Re:Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad ... by katbyte on Monday July 31, 2023 @03:24PM (#36947552)
AFAIK just on the App Store. That’s it.
Re:Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad ... by turquoisevar on Monday July 31, 2023 @09:59PM (#36951428)
Hardly comparable.

One started a platform with an upfront communicated commission rate that, at the time, was literally received with applause because before that the rates were significantly worse for developers and has never raised the rate in its entire history (instead lowered it for certain circumstances).

The other is a bait and switch, luring people onto the platform under one set of rules, only to pull the rug from under them years after the status quo was established and change the rules to impose a commission that didn’t apply to them until now.

One is hard to argue as an anti-trust violation and the other is pretty much a textbook example.