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Re:NASA mistakenly severs communication to Voyager 2 by ck2 on Monday July 31, 2023 @12:17PM (#36944893)
How the heck does it know where earth is?

That's some impressive science there, not like there is a deep-space GPS.

Does it look for the sun and figure out from there?

Re:NASA mistakenly severs communication to Voyager 2 by gregsadetsky on Monday July 31, 2023 @12:26PM (#36945047)
I assume star tracking -- wikipedia seems to confirm

"... and celestial referencing instruments (Sun sensor/Canopus Star Tracker) to maintain pointing of the high-gain antenna toward Earth"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_2

Re:NASA mistakenly severs communication to Voyager 2 by kyleyeats on Monday July 31, 2023 @03:06PM (#36947324)
Dung beetles do this too.
Re:NASA mistakenly severs communication to Voyager 2 by gregsadetsky on Monday July 31, 2023 @03:14PM (#36947424)
that's nuts!

"- African dung beetles orient to the starry sky to move along straight paths

- The beetles do not orientate to the individual stars, but to the Milky Way"

https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(12)...

https://www.science.org/content/article/dung-beetles-navigat...

Re:NASA mistakenly severs communication to Voyager 2 by CMCDragonkai on Monday July 31, 2023 @07:02PM (#36950049)
So you can see astrological events do affect us.
Re:NASA mistakenly severs communication to Voyager 2 by ozzmotik on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @03:25PM (#36975851)
s/log/nom/
Re:NASA mistakenly severs communication to Voyager 2 by dylan604 on Monday July 31, 2023 @05:27PM (#36949097)
As long as there's not too much light pollution. Fortunately for the dung beetles, their habitat isn't very urban. However, it's the little examples like this that make me a light pollution dork.
Re:NASA mistakenly severs communication to Voyager 2 by gregsadetsky on Monday July 31, 2023 @03:15PM (#36947446)
Sorry to self-reply, but this Q&A on "Space Overflow" about this specific star tracker is great:

https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/43803/how-did-the-...

Re:NASA mistakenly severs communication to Voyager 2 by rvnx on Monday July 31, 2023 @05:04PM (#36948804)
Cool finding!
Re:NASA mistakenly severs communication to Voyager 2 by vntok on Monday July 31, 2023 @02:17PM (#36946669)
Basically the probe knows where it is because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the probe from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't.
Re:NASA mistakenly severs communication to Voyager 2 by mcguire on Monday July 31, 2023 @02:54PM (#36947187)
Ok, what is this quote from?
Re:NASA mistakenly severs communication to Voyager 2 by wizofaus on Monday July 31, 2023 @02:58PM (#36947250)
Re:NASA mistakenly severs communication to Voyager 2 by wholinator2 on Monday July 31, 2023 @04:08PM (#36948075)
Wait, i don't understand. I was under the assumption that this text was a joke, but now I'm seeing it in reference to air force training materials? Is it a joke there as well or did someone actually write this text seriously, and plan for it's use as intelligible instruction?
Re:NASA mistakenly severs communication to Voyager 2 by wizofaus on Monday July 31, 2023 @04:19PM (#36948203)
There's oodles of references to this online but nothing really I've found so far explaining whether it was ever intended to be taken seriously in the first place. It's hard to imagine anyone doing so.
Re:NASA mistakenly severs communication to Voyager 2 by KptMarchewa on Monday July 31, 2023 @05:27PM (#36949106)
It's apparently from the 50s, as seen here: https://archive.org/details/sim_electronics-now_1959-03_30_3...
Re:NASA mistakenly severs communication to Voyager 2 by kens on Monday July 31, 2023 @08:24PM (#36950754)
Yes, it's a joke. It's not complete nonsense, though, unlike the Turboencabulator. There's a real explanation buried inside there. ("Where it isn't" is the target position, so it's looking at the deviation between where it currently is, and where it should be. The next time step, "where it wasn't" is the old target position, and so forth.)
Re:NASA mistakenly severs communication to Voyager 2 by mcguire on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @03:19PM (#36961130)
That's the voice. :-D
Re:NASA mistakenly severs communication to Voyager 2 by OJFord on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @06:51AM (#36954514)
David Tennant's narration of the new W1A series in which the BBC launch a syncapatasatellite?
Re:NASA mistakenly severs communication to Voyager 2 by opan on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @09:34AM (#36955765)
I've heard this as a sample in a song, but can't recall which.
Re:NASA mistakenly severs communication to Voyager 2 by hyperdimension on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @07:11PM (#36964555)
I believe it is a Meat Beat Manifesto track, though I'm not sure which one.
Re:NASA mistakenly severs communication to Voyager 2 by Dylan16807 on Monday July 31, 2023 @03:30PM (#36947605)
So other people talked about how it does track, but there's another thing to note here.

"The high-gain antenna has a beamwidth of 0.5° for X-band, and 2.3° for S-band."

At 130-150 AU, the earth is always within about 0.4° of the sun. Since commands are sent on S-band, pointing directly at the sun gets a pretty good signal.

Re:NASA mistakenly severs communication to Voyager 2 by mcv on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @08:04AM (#36954950)
Is that signal not drowned out by the sun? Or are these bands where the sun doesn't do anything?
Re:NASA mistakenly severs communication to Voyager 2 by Dylan16807 on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @03:21PM (#36961161)
If I can trust arbitrary estimates on stack exchange, the deep space network transmitters will be about equal brightness to the sun at frequencies near 2GHz when the 20signal is 10 Hertz wide. That would put the transmission rate in the ballpark of 10 bits per second, and the real number is 16 bits per second, so that seems to work out.

Being drowned out is harder than you might think. The maximum data rate of a weak signal is 1.4 x [bandwidth] x [signal-to-noise ratio]. If you transmit across a 200MHz band, and your signal is a million times weaker than the noise, you can do hundreds of bits per second.

Re:NASA mistakenly severs communication to Voyager 2 by detourdog on Monday July 31, 2023 @03:50PM (#36947849)
it probably has both gyroscopes and star-charts for navigation.
Re:NASA mistakenly severs communication to Voyager 2 by dekhn on Monday July 31, 2023 @08:27PM (#36950780)
I should point at that astronomical navigation is a remarkable skill that was developed and turned into routine calculations in a relatively short period of time. The first order calculations are based on star imaging and used a Kalman filter,which had been invented just a few years before (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalman_filter#History) along with a star catalog (list of known star locations relative to the sun/earth) and direct observation by astronauts. I think a sextant was useful.

Second order calculations use careful analysis of the signal pattern in telemetry data- IIRC you can see a slow stretch of the phase which can be used to estimate distance and velocity with high accuracy.

Voyager, along with Apollo, stand as the finest examples of human engineering done yet- we got a bunch of people to the moon and back, and built a probe that still operates 50 years later... farther than anything else humans have launched... I'd be lucky if I can deploy my web app once a week.

Re:NASA mistakenly severs communication to Voyager 2 by wkdneidbwf on Monday July 31, 2023 @08:52PM (#36950970)
yeah, it really puts my god awful pile of terraform in perspective.
Re:NASA mistakenly severs communication to Voyager 2 by gzer0 on Friday August 04, 2023 @07:07PM (#37007018)
Logged in to comment that this particular comment made me laugh. It really puts what I personally do to shame, many times over. Thanks for the laugh. Cheers.