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Re:Room Temperature Superconductor Drama and Hope by duped on Saturday July 29, 2023 @10:42PM (#36927296)
If it turns out all you need to make STP superconductors is a furnace (granted, a good lab furnace) and some lead and potassium, there are thousands of foundries across the world that will start making it and its variants with no regard for IP rights. Semiconductors regularly use similar processes during production and they're not the hard ones, so it seems like good news if it's just the recipe that needs to be copied.

It's pretty great for humanity if it turns out to be real and relatively simple to produce.

Re:Room Temperature Superconductor Drama and Hope by tomrod on Sunday July 30, 2023 @12:08AM (#36927721)
Seems reasonable that such a pressing tech gets a high reward. Say, $200M for each inventor, then humanity is set?
Re:Room Temperature Superconductor Drama and Hope by sillysaurusx on Sunday July 30, 2023 @12:41AM (#36927869)
Whose $200M?

That’s the rub. I agree with you morally, and I think most people would agree that inventors of fundamental tech should be as well-compensated as founders who “merely” bring it to market. But were Einstein or Feynman wealthy, or Newton before them? Perhaps it’s the scientific fate to be at odds with capitalism.

On the other hand, no amount of money can immortalize you the way this type of discovery would.

Re:Room Temperature Superconductor Drama and Hope by psfried on Sunday July 30, 2023 @12:50AM (#36927913)
Newton at least became quite wealthy. Dunno about the others
Re:Room Temperature Superconductor Drama and Hope by sillysaurusx on Sunday July 30, 2023 @01:03AM (#36927986)
Interesting! Do you know how?
Re:Room Temperature Superconductor Drama and Hope by Asparagirl on Sunday July 30, 2023 @03:27AM (#36928730)
Newton was a member of the British elite, he had income from Cambridge University, and he was first the Warden and later the Master of the Royal Mint. He was also experienced in investments.

Nevertheless, he also got sucked into the infamous South Sea mania of 1720, which was basically the monkey JPG of its day, and consequently he lost a great deal of his wealth.

“Newton's financial misadventures in the South Sea Bubble”: https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsnr.2018.001...

Re:Room Temperature Superconductor Drama and Hope by pvaldes on Sunday July 30, 2023 @10:45AM (#36931652)
Not having children helps a lot with that
Re:Room Temperature Superconductor Drama and Hope by gizmo686 on Sunday July 30, 2023 @01:12AM (#36928036)
The inventors will absolutely be well compensated (assuming their work pans out). They will get a patent and either sell or license that patent. That patented will probably end up being held by a rent seaker, who will extract money from the entire globe for the next 20 years until the patent expires.

Given that, why not have a government spend a bunch of money to buy the rights, then release it to the public domain.

If I had to guess, the scientists would be willing to sell it into the public domain for less money then they would to a private company; however they probably would not be willing to donate it to the public domain when there is massive private money on the table.

Given all if this, the fact that there will likely not even be an offer for this by the government is a policy choice that we will be paying for for the next 20 years.

Re:Room Temperature Superconductor Drama and Hope by bick_nyers on Sunday July 30, 2023 @01:35AM (#36928168)
Just spread some China fear mongering and the US Government will make that patent disappear.
Re:Room Temperature Superconductor Drama and Hope by Accujack on Sunday July 30, 2023 @01:43AM (#36928221)
They have been granted the patent they requested in 2021 just recently in the US, FYI.
Re:Room Temperature Superconductor Drama and Hope by MrYellowP on Sunday July 30, 2023 @09:36AM (#36931019)
> Given that, why not have a government spend a bunch of money to buy the rights, then release it to the public domain.

I find your faith in governments, or naivete, quite disturbing. There is no such government that would do that. They'd be stupid doing it, too.

They'd just keep it and profit from it themselves.

Re:Room Temperature Superconductor Drama and Hope by floxy on Sunday July 30, 2023 @11:27AM (#36932195)
>The inventors will absolutely be well compensated

Who owns the patent? It wouldn't be out of the ordinary to assume the company they are working for owns it. Maybe they'll do OK, but I don't think it is a forgone conclusion that the discoverers/inventors will be suddenly wealthy.

Re:Room Temperature Superconductor Drama and Hope by spaceman_2020 on Sunday July 30, 2023 @01:30AM (#36928134)
I mean we crowdfunded a space sim to the tune of $550M. I’m sure we can find a way to crowdfund a few dozen million for these folks.
Re:Room Temperature Superconductor Drama and Hope by yetihehe on Sunday July 30, 2023 @04:52AM (#36929241)
Would be nice, but you can't play that patent like a space sim. Humanity has a focus problem with "maybe it will help me a little, why should I pay anyone".
Re:Room Temperature Superconductor Drama and Hope by shaoonb on Sunday July 30, 2023 @05:50AM (#36929527)
You can't really play the space sim either.
Re:Room Temperature Superconductor Drama and Hope by Jabbles on Sunday July 30, 2023 @05:56AM (#36929557)
Alfred Nobel's? :)
Re:Room Temperature Superconductor Drama and Hope by javajosh on Sunday July 30, 2023 @12:43AM (#36927880)
10 million gives a person a nice home or two in most places people want to live, plus a six figure income for the rest of their life.

200 million is private jet money.

Re:Room Temperature Superconductor Drama and Hope by worrycue on Sunday July 30, 2023 @01:56AM (#36928288)
Why not though.
Re:Room Temperature Superconductor Drama and Hope by Rebelgecko on Sunday July 30, 2023 @03:15AM (#36928679)
I'm tired of gofundmes
Re:Room Temperature Superconductor Drama and Hope by topspin on Sunday July 30, 2023 @12:48AM (#36927901)
> then humanity is set

No. Whatever problems LK-99 might solve will be rapidly replaced by new, even more pressing, "problems."

Re:Room Temperature Superconductor Drama and Hope by UberFly on Sunday July 30, 2023 @01:38AM (#36928188)
I think they meant: "then humanity is set... to benefit from the discovery." Just a guess.
Re:Room Temperature Superconductor Drama and Hope by throwawayqqq11 on Sunday July 30, 2023 @04:42AM (#36929169)
He is arguing, that solving that "problem" wont fix much. I suspect a climate change denier.
Re:Room Temperature Superconductor Drama and Hope by tomrod on Sunday July 30, 2023 @07:14AM (#36929997)
That is exactly what I meant. Thanks for clarifying.
Re:Room Temperature Superconductor Drama and Hope by mcpackieh on Sunday July 30, 2023 @01:03AM (#36927992)
What's the rush? If it's real we'll figure it out soon enough. If it takes days or weeks or even months, that will make little difference in the long run.
Re:Room Temperature Superconductor Drama and Hope by joshspankit on Sunday July 30, 2023 @08:24AM (#36930468)
I’d very much prefer that approach the the current one.

I’d like to see important discoveries free from “IP” and patent encumbrances and instead of inventors (hopefully) getting paid based on market viability, getting paid based on the positive different it makes to the health of the world.

Just imagine the renaissance on fresh food, for example.

Re:Room Temperature Superconductor Drama and Hope by pfdietz on Sunday July 30, 2023 @06:53AM (#36929861)
If it turned out to be that easy, it should already have been replicated.
Re:Room Temperature Superconductor Drama and Hope by peyton on Sunday July 30, 2023 @10:47AM (#36931682)
Somebody claims to have done it. Complains the instructions from the paper suck. https://twitter.com/iris_igb/status/1685341730902577153
Re:Room Temperature Superconductor Drama and Hope by pfdietz on Saturday August 12, 2023 @09:10AM (#37099807)
Here we are, two weeks later, and the bloom is off the rose. It's turned out as one should have expected, the product of sloppiness and gun jumping.