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Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by avgDev on Friday July 28, 2023 @03:14PM (#36911799)
iPhone is not what it is cracked up to be. A lot of lock in. Some things are absolutely annoying. When I went to Poland, I had to change my region to download apps from appstore, it messed up all my purchase history and subscriptions.

One thing I like is that I have an iPhone 12 and have no need to upgrade, the phones have a much longer life imo.

The statement "apple stuff is just so easy and it works" is EXTREMELY misleading. When it works it works but when it doesn't you generally won't find much good advice.

Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by WWLink on Friday July 28, 2023 @03:29PM (#36912030)
> The statement "apple stuff is just so easy and it works" is EXTREMELY misleading. When it works it works but when it doesn't you generally won't find much good advice.

I've been a Mac fan since OS X came out in 2000/2001, and had iPhones and android phones for years. Just a general "I like all the OSes... and I hate all the OSes" kinda person....

The worst thing about being caught in a situation where something doesn't work right, or is just outright broken? If you go to an iphone/mac themed discussion place to discuss it, you'll probably just get called an idiot and insulted. A lot.

I also hate how iOS kinda has dark patterns to keep you locked into Apple's iCloud services. Lately, MacOS has been getting worse about that too. I think the only Apple service I can log into without causing an Apple device to freak out and have iCloud take everything over is Apple Music.

My biggest beefs are trying to export a tens-of-thousands picture library out of icloud - there's no good reliable way to do it except to tell the Photos app on a Mac to download everything locally and then wait an eternity (like literally weeks) to do so. Then you can use a python script to read the sqlite db and dump everything with correct EXIF data... (if you don't, it's a complicated mess)

My favorite is how bad the ECG app on the Apple Watch is. Especially if your older parent who has the watch on the largest text size uses it. Basically, it becomes almost impossible to dismiss the legal warning screen that pops up if you touch the grey "sine wave, 65bpm" summary thing. If you do, you have to hit a teeny tiny target at the top left of the screen to go back to that summary screen, scroll down without touching the grey box, and then hit 'done' at the bottom.

THEN you reach for your iphone and open the health app you had open before. But it doesn't show the ECG you just recorded - unless you tap the notification from the home screen. When you do, it'll exit the health app and reopen it, so that the latest ECG loads.

It is the most hilarious and fucked interaction I've seen. Like, the Apple Health App is LITERALLY BROKEN and their workaround is to make the notification force-restart the app.

Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by ethbr0 on Friday July 28, 2023 @04:14PM (#36912664)
That echoes my general experience everytime I try the Apple ecosystem again: it's fine until it's not fine.

I suppose it's equal parts {stricter locks} + {smaller number of devices} + {fewer dev resources?}

Last time for me, it was MacOS never having implemented USB-C DisplayPort MST (daisy chaining monitors).

Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by kube-system on Friday July 28, 2023 @03:17PM (#36911853)
What lock-in do iPhones have that isn't a thing on Android? Honestly curious.
Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by moonchrome on Friday July 28, 2023 @03:27PM (#36912008)
WebKit - major PITA, highlighting text and googling in chrome opens safari ?

Appstore - can't install Gameboy emulator for games I've paid 20+ years ago because daddy Apple said so...

Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by fingerlocks on Friday July 28, 2023 @03:43PM (#36912229)
You can install an emulator with an extra $8.33 a month for a developer account.
Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by meepmorp on Friday July 28, 2023 @04:39PM (#36912995)
You've been able to build and install iOS apps on your own device without a paid developer account for years now.
Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by fingerlocks on Saturday July 29, 2023 @01:09AM (#36917145)
Right but way fewer restrictions
Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by meepmorp on Saturday July 29, 2023 @05:29AM (#36918437)
Originally, it was "install the emulator on your device," and you said that would cost $8.33/mo, which was wrong. Where exactly are you moving the goalposts now?
Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by fingerlocks on Saturday July 29, 2023 @10:16AM (#36920541)
Hey, relax. Everything is not a debate. Take off the hostility glasses and re-read my post with some charity:

“Meepmorp you’re totally right, it doesn’t cost anything at all! However, I do highly recommend paying this meager sum because the benefits are quite substantial.”

Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by kube-system on Friday July 28, 2023 @03:57PM (#36912432)
> can't install Gameboy emulator

That sounds like more of an example of lock-out, than lock-in.

Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by avgDev on Friday July 28, 2023 @03:26PM (#36911985)
You have a single back up option which is the iCloud.

Can't install any app I want.

Locked into OS.

Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by ceejayoz on Friday July 28, 2023 @03:34PM (#36912108)
> You have a single back up option which is the iCloud.

That's false. You can backup to a computer, including to Windows. https://support.apple.com/en-au/guide/iphone/iph3ecf67d29/io...

Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by avgDev on Friday July 28, 2023 @03:41PM (#36912197)
Using Itunes........with android you can literally select another CLOUD provider.
Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by s3p on Friday July 28, 2023 @04:25PM (#36912803)
Yes because with iOS you can also RESTORE your entire operating system from that same backup. And if you really want to, you can change the file location so that iTunes backup file sits in a cloud folder.
Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by kube-system on Friday July 28, 2023 @03:42PM (#36912208)
I back up data on my iPhone to my NAS using a third-party app.
Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by lockhouse on Friday July 28, 2023 @03:36PM (#36912133)
One Drive is working for me just fine on my iPhone, and there are other options available like DropBox and Google Drive as well.
Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by avgDev on Friday July 28, 2023 @03:42PM (#36912209)
iPhone doesn't not allow phone backups using another cloud provider? Are you talking about backing up images?
Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by lockhouse on Friday July 28, 2023 @03:44PM (#36912251)
Yeah sorry, thought that’s what you meant.

For whole phone backup it’s either iCloud or hook it up to a computer.

Does Android allow whole phone backups to third parties without rooting?

Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by wilsonnb3 on Friday July 28, 2023 @03:45PM (#36912266)
iMessage and FaceTime are the biggest ones, leaving the ecosystem will make the experience of talking to you worse for anyone using an iPhone still.
Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by rjh29 on Friday July 28, 2023 @03:51PM (#36912342)
Thankfully only the US is afflicted with this stupidity.
Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by kube-system on Friday July 28, 2023 @05:07PM (#36913339)
The rest of the world chose a different stupidity, locking in their messaging to Meta's platform.
Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by rjh29 on Friday July 28, 2023 @06:21PM (#36914158)
Is it really worse though? I can use WhatsApp on any device I want, I'm not locked to iPhone.

Japan uses LINE. Network effect implies a convergence to one app (pick your poison) and I am certain WhatsApp is better than the US situation.

Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by sneak on Friday July 28, 2023 @08:37PM (#36915445)
Yes, it is really worse. One is an ad network built on mass surveillance of users; the other sells hardware.
Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by rjh29 on Friday July 28, 2023 @11:40PM (#36916635)
Whatsapp has no ads, though. If it did my country would probably use a different app.

And nobody has made fun of me for having an android phone. Videos and group chats just work.

Re:US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments ... by kube-system on Friday July 28, 2023 @03:51PM (#36912349)
And when I was on an Android phone, Apple users weren't too happy about me trying to use talk/hangouts/meet/duo or whatever Google's messaging app of the week was.

For interoperability, nothing beats SMS/MMS/POTS/SMTP.