Re:Show HN: Holy shit Lycos still exists
by InclinedPlane on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @07:17PM
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To add some seriousness to this very unserious and "fluffy" submission:
Lycos was acquired for the princely sum of $5.4 billion at the peak of the dot-com bubble. It was "flipped" less than 4 years later for $94 million, and then sold again about 2 years ago for $36 million, after spinning off various non-core components like Wired News. It seems like they might have stabilized after simplifying and focusing their business, they seem to have low overhead costs, a small employee footprint and decent revenues in the $25 mil/year range.
With the latest round of changes it seems that they might be able to stick around indefinitely. I wonder what it must be like to work at a company that is so diminished from it's hey day.
Re:Show HN: Holy shit Lycos still exists
by wisty on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @07:27PM
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There's some weird niche search engine called duck-duck-go which also stays viable. If you don't want to make $billions, you can use yahoo/bings search api, and roll a nice niche search engine. You won't kill google, but taking even a tiny fraction of their profits is still pretty good.
What Paul Graham realized (after Yahoo neglected search and paid a huge price) and Yahoo didn't is that people searching are looking for answers; and people looking for answers often pay real money to have their problems solved. That's why Google makes more than (say) Facebook.
The point is - search is a gold mine. The first tier (Google) is a mint. The second tiers (Yahoo, Bing, Baidu, Yandex) do well, unless they are weighed down with unprofitable divisions, or bad business decisions. Even a third tier search provider can make enough to be very viable. Third tier social networks? Even without the network effect, I wouldn't want to be there.
Re:Show HN: Holy shit Lycos still exists
by Lazare on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @08:35PM
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Uh...
First, you seem to think that search is a "gold mine". This is completely wrong. Ads are gold mine, but nobody is making much money off of search. Nobody is looking to "pay real money" to have their search queries answered.
Second, you seem to think that Bing is making money. They're not; the most recently available figures show them burning a billion dollars a quarter. That's not doing "well" in most people's books.
Third, a couple of minor points: DDG has their own crawler, and doesn't just repackage Bing's results. On the other hand, Yahoo does just repackage Bing's results, and is shutting down their crawler. I'm not sure why that makes Yahoo "second tier" but DDG a "weird niche search engine". :)
Re:Show HN: Holy shit Lycos still exists
by ChrisNorstrom on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @07:17PM
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Yeah, they actually spent $20+ Million dollars buying "Sonique" A simple MP3 player that you installed on your desktop, kind of like Winamp only without all the features. It was a beautiful player but after a decade or so they completely shut down the whole thing, it had hundreds of plugins and visualizations. It was the most beautiful mp3 player ever but still, just an mp3 player. $20 million. Yeah. That will forever be the defining moment in the dot-com-bubble for me.
Re:Show HN: Holy shit Lycos still exists
by pgroves on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @06:30PM
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Without typing anything in the search box, hit down arrow to get a list of suggested searches. My personalization was extremely spot on given that I haven't used Lycos in 10 years.
Re:Show HN: Holy shit Lycos still exists
by stevejohnson on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @08:00PM
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Would the downvoters kindly explain themselves? I intended to pose an honest question about how they're doing autocomplete. Apparently I'm the only one who hasn't seen that particular behavior on a search engine before. I don't recall that specific set of suggestions show up in any other search box I've used, probably because I don't pay attention.
Edit: I see now that I misinterpreted the parent. I thought he meant those just happened to be the top Lycos search terms, but he meant that the name of the form element was shared with other sites that have search fields I use.
Re:Show HN: Holy shit Lycos still exists
by RossM on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @06:57PM
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That's the browser's autocomplete, probably triggered by the field being named 'q'. It tracks what you've entered into other fields (I assume named 'q'), hence I get lots of testing data from my current project's search field.
Re:Show HN: Holy shit Lycos still exists
by jaredsohn on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @06:37PM
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Prior to Google, I used to use MetaCrawler (http://www.metacrawler.com), which also still exists, and now simultaneously searches Google, Bing, and Yahoo.
The parent company also owns dogpile.com which now does the same search.
From Wikipedia:
As part of a corporate restructuring to focus on mobile, social networks and location-based serves, Daum sold Lycos for $36 million in August 2010 to Ybrant Digital, an internet marketing company based in Hyderabad, India.
Re:Show HN: Holy shit Lycos still exists
by ecubed on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @06:36PM
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I have awesome and awful memories of using Lycos' Tripod as a web host back in its early days. That and Expages were what got me hooked on web development as a kid.
Re:Show HN: Holy shit Lycos still exists
by dougb on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @08:44PM
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Some trivia that not too many people know.
Lycos almost bought Viaweb but backed away because of some potential ip issues with one of the viaweb employees.
Lycos was acquired for the princely sum of $5.4 billion at the peak of the dot-com bubble. It was "flipped" less than 4 years later for $94 million, and then sold again about 2 years ago for $36 million, after spinning off various non-core components like Wired News. It seems like they might have stabilized after simplifying and focusing their business, they seem to have low overhead costs, a small employee footprint and decent revenues in the $25 mil/year range.
With the latest round of changes it seems that they might be able to stick around indefinitely. I wonder what it must be like to work at a company that is so diminished from it's hey day.
Edit: Holy crap.
I completely forgot about excite
it looks like altavista is still up, too
What Paul Graham realized (after Yahoo neglected search and paid a huge price) and Yahoo didn't is that people searching are looking for answers; and people looking for answers often pay real money to have their problems solved. That's why Google makes more than (say) Facebook.
The point is - search is a gold mine. The first tier (Google) is a mint. The second tiers (Yahoo, Bing, Baidu, Yandex) do well, unless they are weighed down with unprofitable divisions, or bad business decisions. Even a third tier search provider can make enough to be very viable. Third tier social networks? Even without the network effect, I wouldn't want to be there.
First, you seem to think that search is a "gold mine". This is completely wrong. Ads are gold mine, but nobody is making much money off of search. Nobody is looking to "pay real money" to have their search queries answered.
Second, you seem to think that Bing is making money. They're not; the most recently available figures show them burning a billion dollars a quarter. That's not doing "well" in most people's books.
Third, a couple of minor points: DDG has their own crawler, and doesn't just repackage Bing's results. On the other hand, Yahoo does just repackage Bing's results, and is shutting down their crawler. I'm not sure why that makes Yahoo "second tier" but DDG a "weird niche search engine". :)
Edit: I see now that I misinterpreted the parent. I thought he meant those just happened to be the top Lycos search terms, but he meant that the name of the form element was shared with other sites that have search fields I use.
The parent company also owns dogpile.com which now does the same search.
EDIT: Maybe not ... http://siteanalytics.compete.com/lycos.com/
From Wikipedia: As part of a corporate restructuring to focus on mobile, social networks and location-based serves, Daum sold Lycos for $36 million in August 2010 to Ybrant Digital, an internet marketing company based in Hyderabad, India.
Still gets 14 mil uniques (!): http://siteanalytics.compete.com/lycos.com/
This was my go-to search engine before I knew that URLs could be saved and loaded in another place to the same effect.
http://hotbot.com/
http://www.altavista.com/
ouch
First search engine I ever used. In high school Spanish class, about 1995. Still there! But, no more cool illustration of a spider.
I wonder who their demographic is. What type of person still uses dogpile or lycos? Is it hardcoded somewhere?
Still around, kinda.