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Re:VanMoof encryption key exporter by fermentation on Friday July 14, 2023 @01:26AM (#36719818)
I'm just now hearing about VanMoof failing. This is surprising, considering these bikes seem to have pretty meh build quality and are being priced much higher than one would expect.
Re:VanMoof encryption key exporter by ashald on Friday July 14, 2023 @01:35AM (#36719870)
I've got an X3 that is rock solid even after me and the bike flying apart in an attempt to avoid collision with a truck. And its design is the primary reason why I decided to start biking again to begin with - I just find it so pleasantly satisfying I just want to ride it. So IDK, but I haven't seen a viable alternative yet.
Re:VanMoof encryption key exporter by nicbou on Friday July 14, 2023 @02:13AM (#36720082)
What about it makes it so satisfying?

If you're not into bikes, try a few of them. I find any properly tuned bike to be an absolute joy to use, although I never tried a Van Moof.

Re:VanMoof encryption key exporter by dirtyid on Friday July 14, 2023 @02:53AM (#36720322)
For me, it's just nice/satisfying using a aesthetically designed piece of kit, even if not top of the line performance. Which is issue for bikes, since a well tuned bike makes a huge difference. I don't like looking at all the bits of gear drive system, I like aesthetics of single speed, but riding one PIA. Ended up with a slick belt drive + internal hub setup. Van Moof (which I was considering buying) was basically the only ebike vendor that had similar aesthetics, and cover for chain/belt drive option. Checked my aesthetic boxes enough that I was fine if performance was average because it's ebike and I won't be physically struggling if something goes out of tune anyway. Support killed it for me though, and it seems like killed the company as well.
Re:VanMoof encryption key exporter by sorenjan on Friday July 14, 2023 @03:53AM (#36720697)
Have you looked at bikes with the Pinion gear box? They recently launched an e-bike version too.

https://pinion.eu/bike-selection/

Re:VanMoof encryption key exporter by oblio on Friday July 14, 2023 @07:20AM (#36722298)
From what I see those bikes are crazy expensive.
Re:VanMoof encryption key exporter by dirtyid on Friday July 14, 2023 @12:13PM (#36726015)
Briefly a year ago, the tiny chain wheel looked silly but it's growing on on me. The ebike motor looks great though. I think this might be it.
Re:VanMoof encryption key exporter by nicbou on Friday July 14, 2023 @02:44PM (#36728188)
Belt drive and gear hub is an awesome combo indeed. I'm spending a stupid amount of money to build a gravel bike with that setup, since it doesn't really exist.

I like a different aesthetic but to each their own. A bike you love is the best investment you can make.

Re:VanMoof encryption key exporter by sorenjan on Saturday July 15, 2023 @05:30AM (#36735080)
There are some that use Shimano Alfine, like the Priority Apollo and Shand Leveret, and others that use Rohloff like MiTech R-Gravel and Shand Cycles Stooshie Rohloff. They're still much rarer that derailleur bikes, though the latest innovation is using a rear derailleur and a 2 speed gear hub with the Classified Powershift.
Re:VanMoof encryption key exporter by madeofpalk on Friday July 14, 2023 @05:33AM (#36721579)
The S/X3 was the worst bike they made. I regret foolishly 'upgrading' from S3 to X3. The eshifter in it was notorious for reliability.

I'm convinced the S/X3 is why the company is going under.

Re:VanMoof encryption key exporter by aden1ne on Friday July 14, 2023 @02:20AM (#36720125)
The build quality is so bad they are going under in warranty claims. They also don't use common components, so very few bike repair shops in high-volume markets (e.g. Netherlands) are willing to touch VanMoof bikes.
Re:VanMoof encryption key exporter by arp242 on Friday July 14, 2023 @02:42AM (#36720246)
Apparently they spent €8M on warranty claims, on an income of €83M, so ~10% of their income. It's not really clear to me if this is exuberantly high, especially since this may also cover non-traditional "warranty" like their theft recovery.
Re:VanMoof encryption key exporter by jaclaz on Friday July 14, 2023 @05:30AM (#36721556)
I think it is crazy high, should be well below 1-2% for any "mature" (simple) product, for more complex products (let's say cars) it should be below 5%:

Cars: https://www.warrantyweek.com/archive/ww20230511.html

Hvac/appliances: https://www.warrantyweek.com/archive/ww20230706.html

But there are outliers (wind turbines):

https://www.warrantyweek.com/archive/ww20230309.html

Re:VanMoof encryption key exporter by fragile_frogs on Friday July 14, 2023 @04:13AM (#36720826)
I ride BMX, road bikes and Mountain Bikes. I've tried a VanMoof two years ago and the build quality was terrible. You couldn't pay me to ride one.