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Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by OliveMate on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @07:38AM (#36693063)
I heard about this constantly growing up, and it was only until I was 17 that I decided to look it up online thinking 'oh it's only a film i'm proper hard me' – and it pretty much ruined me. It's harrowing, to say the least. On top of showing what would happen, the exploration of life after a widespread nuclear conflict is just as bad, and it's not just the immediate aftermath that's touched upon.

The film ends with a timeskip over a decade later, with the populace reduced to pre-industrial life struggling to survive as they farm off the irradiated land, and those who've grown up in that world speak a very damaged version of English (as if it was hard for everyone to understand Yorkshire accents in the first place!). There's attempts to keep people educated from what they can remember and scavenge, but it doesn't hold a candle to what was once.

It's a very mortifying film that hits you hard, and even skimming over bits of it as I type this, the shot of the mushroom cloud behind Sheffield city centre has made my gut sink – and this is from someone who was born after the Cold War, God knows how distressing it was for those who watched it during the height of it.

Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by jacquesm on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @07:53AM (#36693223)
> God knows how distressing it was for those who watched it during the height of it.

For many weeks after I would look up at every plane passing over to see if it was dropping something.

Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by BoxOfRain on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @08:56AM (#36693864)
I happened to see one of the brightest shooting stars of my life shortly after Russia invaded Ukraine last year and it was headed towards the nearest city. I'd be lying if there was a big part of me that thought 'I really hope I don't see a flash in a few seconds'.
Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by jacquesm on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @09:00AM (#36693913)
I still catch myself looking up at planes a good 4 decades later so I'm totally sympathetic to that. All of this is terribly fragile and single individuals of questionable mental capacity having this much power is the sort of risk that humanity should have never taken.
Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by zh3 on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @01:46PM (#36698648)
Roger Waters, Goodbye Blue Sky (1979):-

"Look mummy, there's an aeroplane up in the sky

Ooh Did you see the frightened ones? Did you hear the falling bombs? Did you ever wonder why we had to run for shelter when the promise of a brave new world unfurled beneath a clear blue sky?"

Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by intelVISA on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @08:52AM (#36693813)
As morbid as it sounds I'd hope to be instantly atomized in such a scenario. Imagine trying to deliver YoY growth and market impact using just irradiated soil and GNU/Make.
Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by kaashif on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @09:09AM (#36693993)
If nothing else, nuclear war certainly would have a lot of market impact.
Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by jacquesm on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @09:17AM (#36694090)
But think of the opportunities and what it will do to the competition...
Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by doctor_eval on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @09:20AM (#36694117)
I dunno. Seems like there would be a lot of red ocean.
Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by schmorptron on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @09:44AM (#36694397)
Hey now, we still have that GitHub arctic code vault.
Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by actionfromafar on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @11:15AM (#36695784)
I hope it's deep enough or the photographic film it's on will become mouldy when the climate warms up again after the nuclear winter.
Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by alexjplant on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @11:59AM (#36696572)
I have a GitHub Achievement/Badge/Flair/whatever they call it for supposedly having contributed to this and I haven't the faintest clue what I did.
Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by masklinn on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @12:28PM (#36697095)
If you click on the icon it should tell you.

Basically any contribution to a repository which got archived gets you the nod. Likewise for the Mars rover one.

Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by alexjplant on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @01:30PM (#36698327)
It should but it doesn't...

> @alexjplant contributed code to 0 repositories in the 2020 GitHub Archive Program.

Maybe it was in a since-deleted repository?

Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by masklinn on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @01:57PM (#36698863)
Hmmm possibly, seems odd that all mentions would be struck out but I can't say.

Maybe try messaging github support to ask?

Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by ozfive on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @01:16PM (#36698044)
Oh boy, they snagged on of the least useful repos of mine. So I apologize ahead of time for it being in that arctic vault for any people in the future. I didn't get to pick which one they selected.
Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by jacquesm on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @04:00PM (#36700810)
Just imagine what could have been stored there instead.
Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by ozfive on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @07:19PM (#36702997)
Oh I know... It haunts me daily...
Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by afavour on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @09:57AM (#36694606)
Obviously it doesn't actually matter that much but sometimes I do wonder how I'd fare in a nuclear holocaust scenario and it's depressing to think how useless my professional skills would be. Idealistically I'd be grabbing PC components wherever I could find them and frankensteining machines together, making networks to connect bunkers... but in reality we'd probably not even have power. It's so far down the hierarchy of needs.
Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by jacquesm on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @10:13AM (#36694854)
> Idealistically I'd be grabbing PC components wherever I could find them and frankensteining machines together, making networks to connect bunkers...

You'd be better off reading a book on hydroponics and subsistence farming if you were determined to see it through. And have a way to exit stage left available in case it all doesn't work out.

Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by ddmf on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @10:41AM (#36695261)
So you're saying my experience in growing mushrooms may not have been a waste of time :)
Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by jacquesm on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @10:57AM (#36695507)
Who knows, it may become your most valuable skill one day. But let's hope it's something else instead.
Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by mrguyorama on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @03:15PM (#36700204)
The only actual skill of value in a post apocalypse scenario is convincing people around you to not murder you for your meager possessions. Humanity without a state has no qualms about murdering a member of an out group, and it can even be a bonding activity for the in group.

Left to our own devices we form tight knit, small scale communities which are very protective of each other but extremely hostile to anything else. There's no "society", no "technology", no "time to build something". Look at the Primitive Technology guy on youtube; Even very basic metal is impossible without industry, so no metal ax, no metal parts for anything. Stone tools are incredibly inferior to even basic modern tools.

The spare people and time required to develop and work an industry to start building ANYTHING more than a weaved basket or stone ax requires the recreation of agriculture, except nearly none of the survivors of any situation will understand anything about growing plants, and we don't have a hundred thousand years of human history practicing while being nomadic hunters.

Your gun won't protect you. Your stores of food will run out. Your knowledge of anything that isn't "how do I sustainably produce one million calories a year with only my bare hands" is useless.

Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by jacquesm on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @03:19PM (#36700255)
There is a good book called https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Abides Earth Abides, the most the lead character manages to pass on of all of our technology is the (fire)bow/arrows. Everything else is lost, even though it takes years for everything to run down.
Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by dylan604 on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @11:21AM (#36695887)
How much would those components be affected by EMPs?
Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by at_a_remove on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @08:48PM (#36703695)
I'm Gen X, which means that we were, as a group, routinely traumatized as kids with killer bees, acid rain, a frank exchange of nuclear warheads ... suddenly sex was death and we weren't sure of the parameters. But the nukes were always in the background and when you review the media of the period it was like seeing the same guy in the background of different movies, always looking at the camera.

I had read Alas, Babylon by Pat Frank, really the prototype of this kind of thing, about a limited nuclear event and what would happen. There's a great bit:

On the ninth day after The Day, Lavinia McGovern died. This, too, had been inevitable ever since the lights went out and the refrigeration ceased. Since Lavinia McGovern suffered from diabetes, insulin had kept her alive. Without refrigeration, insulin deteriorated rapidly. Not only Lavinia, but all diabetics in Fort Repose, dependent on insulin, died at about the same period as the drug lost its potency.

Now, insulin is much more shelf-stable, but you get the idea. I was struck. So imagine a tween who had drawn up lists of "who had what," where we were going to meet, and general plans for your limited nuclear war. I did have the relatively bright idea of trekking to this particularly cold and hidden spring as a kind of natural refrigerator for wrapped food and batteries and the like. All of that eventually faded after the Berlin Wall came down.

I still think about it, from time to time, as "What would I be good for besides slave labor?" They made us get pretty handy with electronics for my degree and the rest of my sciences were well-rounded with chemistry and some very basic civil engineering. I ran amok in TechShop before they folded, so the shop stuff I can get by with to some degree.

In terms of computing's value, I think the two biggest areas of overlooked utility would be packet radio for a low-bandwidth internet, and having the foresight to have offline copies of Wikipedia, scans of the Gingery books, and so forth, connected up to a PC with line conditioned solar power. With dozens of the same PC or laptop, because those parts wear out. Otherwise, yes, IT probably won't be a big part of your average scavenger horde hellbent on reenacting parts of The Road Warrior.

Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by tempodox on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @11:16AM (#36695819)
Indeed, one nuclear explosion can ruin your whole compile.
Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by dmd on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @03:46PM (#36700611)
Of course, you'd also have access to threads.
Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by ddmf on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @09:05AM (#36693952)
I'm from Wakefield in West. Yorks. In 1985 there was an issue with the early warning sirens near our school - it was harrowing and took a few hours to fix. Was the first I'd heard of "newkiller bombs" and as a 9 year old couldn't comprehend.

Then the year later at a new school there was the Chernobyl disaster.

I can understand why there was such a reduced want in nuclear energy, 40 years later though I wonder how things would be if we'd gotten rid of coal and gas sooner?!

Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by dspillett on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @01:31PM (#36698343)
> Then the year later at a new school there was the Chernobyl disaster.

'86 is the first year I properly remember. Challenger went boom while we were doing a big space project at school, Chernobyl went pop just as I was starting to pay some attention to world news, and Optimus Prime was offed on-screen. More than enough to sear the year into the memory of a young lad!

Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by sc0ttyd on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @01:50PM (#36698743)
Then the next year we had the Herald of Free Enterprise, and the year after Piper Alpha. It was a pretty scary time to be a young kid!
Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by dspillett on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @09:04PM (#36703842)
Piper Alpha made things all the more real, because we had family working out on oil rigs.
Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by chrisweekly on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @09:55AM (#36694578)
Related tangent: Cormac McCarthy's novel "The Road" is unforgettable, and IMHO richly deserving of its Pulitzer.
Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by TheCleric on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @10:44AM (#36695309)
I read "The Road" after becoming a parent, and it broke me.
Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by bazzert on Thursday July 13, 2023 @07:51AM (#36707770)
Same, my son was 2 and we were on vacation, and it kind of ruined it for me. Couldnt bring myself to watch the movie.
Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by vkou on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @01:06PM (#36697851)
> God knows how distressing it was for those who watched it during the height of it.

We aren't in that different a universe from the Cold War, unless someone's dismantled the thousands of nuclear weapons we point at eachother, and hasn't told me.

The worst thing about the Cold War ending is how everyone talks like the world has changed, yet it really hasn't.

Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by OliveMate on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @02:53PM (#36699892)
Theres definitely stockpiles of nuclear weapons out there, but they're a fraction of what they were 40 years ago, and really up until the last few years relations between the West and Russia have been less tense - Not to say there hasn't been friction from all the effort put into influencing politics in the West or assassination attempts on Western soil that have definitely soured things.

For reference, the big cultural fear when I was young was terrorism and rogue states, and then around adulthood it was ISIS and the like. These things still exist, but the cultural focus here has shifted for a while.

Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by vkou on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @03:04PM (#36700054)
They are a fraction of what they used to be, because they can be delivered with far more precision, and far less ability for interception than in the Cold War bomber era.

It's no longer the decade of long-distance bombers delivering warheads directly to where they intend to bomb. It'll just be a series of bright re-entry streaks from an ICBM releasing it's cluster of warheads on your metro area.

Re:Threads: The BBC drama which affected a generation of vie... by FuckButtons on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @09:09PM (#36703896)
It’s kind of impressive that the most awful thing in that film isn’t my hometown getting immolated in nuclear fire, but what happens afterwards.

I was very depressed one weekend and decided to watch threads, when the wind blows and the graveyard of the fireflies back to back. How I didn’t off myself after that unbelievably bleak triple bill I’ll never know.