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Re:Microsoft wins FTC fight to buy Activision Blizzard by lesuorac on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @11:24AM (#36682302)
> How does this make anyone feel any better? What happens after 10 years?

What happens in less than 10 years if they don't abide by it?

Does Activision get split back out? I doubt it.

We're long past the point where you can just set rules/laws and companies will abide by it. We need to be at the point where we also list the punishment ahead of time.

Re:Microsoft wins FTC fight to buy Activision Blizzard by jxramos on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @11:50AM (#36682714)
that's not a bad idea, laws without punishments are kind of ambiguous I suppose. I wonder the utility of leaving this open, is it tantamount to mandatory sentencing and takes freedom away from the judge or something like that.
Re:Microsoft wins FTC fight to buy Activision Blizzard by re-thc on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @11:52AM (#36682747)
> What happens in less than 10 years if they don't abide by it?

Likely nothing. I don't understand why people believe in these things.

> We're long past the point where you can just set rules/laws and companies will abide by it.

What's the rule / law here anyhow? There are always workarounds, e.g. it says it will keep it in parity with xbox... well what if they called a new console something else?

Re:Microsoft wins FTC fight to buy Activision Blizzard by AlexandrB on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @12:42PM (#36683550)
> Likely nothing. I don't understand why people believe in these things.

No kidding. They could just introduce a new game franchise called "Duty of Call - Warfare That's Modern" and make that Xbox exclusive instead. Or any number of other workarounds and sneaky tactics.

Re:Microsoft wins FTC fight to buy Activision Blizzard by stale2002 on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @12:27PM (#36683324)
You know that Sony could just agree to a contract with microsoft over this right?

If they write up a contract with penalty provisions, this could able be guaranteed through civil court.

It is not some crazy unsolved question as to how to get a company to commit to something in the future.

Re:Microsoft wins FTC fight to buy Activision Blizzard by vkou on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @12:03AM (#36690338)
> Likely nothing. I don't understand why people believe in these things.

Likely Sony will take them to the cleaners.

Re:Microsoft wins FTC fight to buy Activision Blizzard by mysterydip on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @12:08PM (#36683022)
Most likely a fine far less than the money gained from not abiding by the law, if history is anything to go by.
Re:Microsoft wins FTC fight to buy Activision Blizzard by oh_sigh on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @12:20PM (#36683194)
Depends how good Sony's lawyers are. Theoretically the courts could offer an injunction preventing sale of the CoD until it is also available on whatever equivalent Playstation type system there is.
Re:Microsoft wins FTC fight to buy Activision Blizzard by NovaDudely on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @02:19AM (#36691025)
Sony vs MS lawyers... that would be messy... and fun to watch. grabs popocorn

Would they just build a COD that is dependent on specific MS tech so they cannot release it on competing systems? Why not try and rebrand Call of Duty so that it isn't in violation? Just call it 'Duty'. It starts to get very grey very quickly.

Re:Microsoft wins FTC fight to buy Activision Blizzard by dathinab on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @12:27PM (#36683335)
You mean like Facebook/WhatsApp which committed to not do some things and that certain things aren't even technically possible (which even back then was a lie) to get the merger through in the EU and then a few years later was, oh that, yep, let's ignore it and just turn it into a long legal battle which will anyway cost us far less then what we gain from it.
Re:Microsoft wins FTC fight to buy Activision Blizzard by swyx on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @01:19AM (#36690714)
what has fb gained from whatsapp? theyre not charging for it right?
Re:Microsoft wins FTC fight to buy Activision Blizzard by dybber on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @01:55AM (#36690910)
One big competitor less to worry about
Re:Microsoft wins FTC fight to buy Activision Blizzard by Jochim on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @02:56AM (#36691237)
The phone contacts and social graph of everyone using WhatsApp.
Re:Microsoft wins FTC fight to buy Activision Blizzard by robertlagrant on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @12:36PM (#36683444)
> We're long past the point where you can just set rules/laws and companies will abide by it.

We're not, but this is pretty nebulous stuff. The state blocking freely agreed transactions because it can foresee some damage is not exactly a clear cut good, other than for people who are reassured by the idea of the state as a benevolent, all-knowing mom and pop, and for the lawyers who get paid a fortune to debate past and future hypotheticals.

What about this: allow the merger, and if the harm is done, the company must pay, but if the harm is not done, the state must pay?

Re:Microsoft wins FTC fight to buy Activision Blizzard by paulryanrogers on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @12:42PM (#36683548)
Because if there is harm the companies pay so little it's just written off as cost of doing business. Yet the harms too often continue.

Companies with more resources than small countries are often too big to regulate because they capture the regulators and/or the judiciary.

Prevention is cheaper than treatment, especially when treatments have proven so ineffective.

Re:Microsoft wins FTC fight to buy Activision Blizzard by robertlagrant on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @12:54PM (#36683743)
> Companies with more resources than small countries are often too big to regulate because they capture the regulators and/or the judiciary.

Regulatory capture is entirely the fault of the regulator. They don't have to be captured. They choose to be. A government body, funded by taxes, that decides to be captured, is a complete disgrace. People work hard to pay taxes, and they shouldn't be spent on employing people who choose to align with those they should be regulating.

> Prevention is cheaper than treatment, especially when treatments have proven so ineffective.

The same state that has the power to prevent has the power to treat. It chooses not to. Switching approach won't help. Getting regulators to do their jobs will.

Re:Microsoft wins FTC fight to buy Activision Blizzard by paulryanrogers on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @12:58PM (#36683803)
I wish it were that simple. Sadly a large portion of US voters seem to think a revolving door with "industry experts" (i.e. insiders) is desirable. And that courts should defer to business interests above all else.
Re:Microsoft wins FTC fight to buy Activision Blizzard by jamiek88 on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @03:51PM (#36686397)
‘Running the government like a business’ is and was the biggest crock of shit ever sold.

Anyone who has worked at large corporate bureaucracies knows they are just as slow and rule bound as government departments and in many ways worse. At least there are some well motivated people in government.

Government is us. The people. We’ve delegated it to an elite class that gets more and more cut off from the common politik as time goes by.

I see no easy solution . Power does not willingly give up power.

Re:Microsoft wins FTC fight to buy Activision Blizzard by robertlagrant on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @08:11AM (#36693373)
I don't think any solution here we've mentioned is simple. I don't think you should be characterising only the ones I'm mentioning as being not simple.
Re:Microsoft wins FTC fight to buy Activision Blizzard by lesuorac on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @01:57PM (#36684713)
> What about this: allow the merger, and if the harm is done, the company must pay, but if the harm is not done, the state must pay?

The FTC identified not having CoD on multiple platforms as a large issue. What payment is justified if Microsoft doesn't allow CoD on multiple platforms?

It's easy to say "if harm is done, the company must pay" but look how long we've know leaded gasoline was harmful, look how long we've know abestoes was harmful, look how long we've know pfas was harmful, look how long we've know cigarettes are harmful. And then look how long it took for any company to pay after fighting tooth and nail saying it wasn't harmful despite their _own_ internal research saying the contrary.

Sure, CoD is not in the same scope as leaded gasoline. The point still remains, a harm has been identified and I don't think they should be allowed to merge so long as the punishment for that harm occurring isn't pre-determined.

Re:Microsoft wins FTC fight to buy Activision Blizzard by SV_BubbleTime on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @12:20AM (#36690441)
>The FTC identified not having CoD on multiple platforms as a large issue.

What perspective has been applied to this?

Re:Microsoft wins FTC fight to buy Activision Blizzard by stOneskull on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @02:32AM (#36691085)
toy soldiers gotta be trained
Re:Microsoft wins FTC fight to buy Activision Blizzard by kmeisthax on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @10:10AM (#36694807)
The state blocking freely agreed transactions because it would allow someone to create something larger and more coercive than the state seems like a good minimum.

We don't have to debate past and future hypotheticals - that's an invention of the "consumer welfare" theory of antitrust. The one that said it's entirely fine for, say, Apple to have a monopoly on iOS software as long as they have a prosocial justification for it. Apple's specific argument is that their monopoly protects from malware... or, in other words, they're big enough that they can make and enforce their own laws.

A better and simpler rule is this: being big is illegal, period. That's how antitrust used to work. If a business deal would give you the capability of becoming your own sovereign state, you don't get to execute that deal. If you knock out all your competition, we break you up into competing companies.

This is the sort of thing that triggers free market types, I know. My argument is specifically that large businesses get to write their own rules, and the only way to prevent them from doing that is to make them small enough that they cannot execute political power equivalent to that of a monarch. Right now, we live in this comedic parody of free market liberalism where the business owners have centralized power to themselves, turning themselves into de-facto states, and gotten the de-jure state drunk on surveillance tech to avoid scrutiny.