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Re:Andreas Kling – Failure is also a habit by SamoyedFurFluff on Friday July 07, 2023 @07:57AM (#36630351)
I don’t actually think temperance and logic like this moves the needle significantly for obese people. When you’re obese you need to lose 50, 70, 100+ lbs, not 10. You’re looking at fundamentally changing relationship with food at multiple levels to the point where it’s unrecognizable. I don’t think small changes in habit like this are in the same ballpark as what obese people need to become a normal weight, in the same way that I don’t think taking the stairs instead of the elevator is in the same ballpark as someone who wants to become a professional athlete.
Re:Andreas Kling – Failure is also a habit by frde on Friday July 07, 2023 @08:08AM (#36630459)
I don't think anyone is suggesting that the same tricks will work for everyone. I've never been chronically obese so I wouldn't know what goes on in someone's mind at that point.

However I do know that it moved the needle significantly in _my_ life by changing my relationship with food so it's valuable to me. Losing the extra ~10 to 20 lbs of weight people gain in adulthood is something that people do struggle with even if it's not as dramatic as someone fighting obesity.

Re:Andreas Kling – Failure is also a habit by Aeolun on Friday July 07, 2023 @08:08AM (#36630463)
Taking the stairs is a lot more attainable though.
Re:Andreas Kling – Failure is also a habit by unmole on Friday July 07, 2023 @08:38AM (#36630769)
But is unlikely to make a difference.
Re:Andreas Kling – Failure is also a habit by xupybd on Friday July 07, 2023 @08:55AM (#36630986)
All the small things add up. You'd be surprised how effective they can be when combined
Re:Andreas Kling – Failure is also a habit by taeric on Friday July 07, 2023 @09:28AM (#36631440)
Indeed, walking punches way over expectations for keeping weight off. You have to do a good hour of a walk, but an hour walking is probably better than a rushed workout of similar time.
Re:Andreas Kling – Failure is also a habit by p0d on Friday July 07, 2023 @09:58AM (#36631855)
I lost 40kg walking one hour a day over the last 3 years. Some people don't recognise me.

Don't get yourself into a state where you need to lose 40kg. If you do, and lose the weight, you will have excess skin.

I like my new healthy self but actions have consequences.

Re:Andreas Kling – Failure is also a habit by taeric on Friday July 07, 2023 @10:03AM (#36631937)
Kudos on the progress! Curious what got you to start walking for that long?
Re:Andreas Kling – Failure is also a habit by randomname93857 on Friday July 07, 2023 @10:44AM (#36632502)
I think one hour a day of walk is not even a bare minimum if you don't do any other exercises or physical work
Re:Andreas Kling – Failure is also a habit by taeric on Friday July 07, 2023 @11:31AM (#36633245)
I think you'd be surprised. A solid hour of walking goes a long way.
Re:Andreas Kling – Failure is also a habit by p0d on Saturday July 08, 2023 @11:17AM (#36645215)
Covid. I read the data, fat equals higher risk. While I am not afraid of death, neither do I want to speed it up.
Re:Andreas Kling – Failure is also a habit by krumpet on Friday July 07, 2023 @11:05AM (#36632835)
Good on you! Something I preach to my children is that success comes from showing up every day to do a little and not from a sudden burst of a lot. Well done.

I turn 50 this year and have committed to doing 50,000 pushups before 2024. It sounds like a lot, but after the first month, doing 200-300 a day isn't really that difficult (when broken up into smaller sets). Honestly, it's a LOT more of a mental challenge than a physical challenge.

It's all about showing up every day.

Re:Andreas Kling – Failure is also a habit by unmole on Friday July 07, 2023 @12:14PM (#36633942)
> but an hour walking is probably better than a rushed workout of similar time.

How so?

Re:Andreas Kling – Failure is also a habit by taeric on Friday July 07, 2023 @12:35PM (#36634300)
I honestly don't know how/why. https://www.nbcnews.com/better/health/why-walking-most-under... is one of the first search results in "benefits of walking vs gym" and there is no shortage there.

It could be as simple as you are less likely to indulge in a treat after a walk?

Re:Andreas Kling – Failure is also a habit by unmole on Friday July 07, 2023 @02:39PM (#36636452)
Climbing up a flight of stairs burns less than 2 calories. An Oreo has 53 calories. You do the maths.
Re:Andreas Kling – Failure is also a habit by sfink on Saturday July 08, 2023 @10:33AM (#36644793)
Ok

Climbing up the stairs directly burns 2 calories, and not eating the Oreo because you're climbing the stairs avoids 53.

Sounds about right to me. Even if it does require living in one of those places where it is not customary to store your Oreos on staircases.

Re:Andreas Kling – Failure is also a habit by tuyiown on Friday July 07, 2023 @08:44AM (#36630856)
> When you’re obese you need to lose 50, 70, 100+ lbs, not 10.

You have to lose 10 at some point. The way you're putting it, it looks like losing weight would be some kind of drastic sprint with a finish line. I don't think it can happen that way. You have to lose weight and continuing changing your habit to lose 10 more, and the others 10 after, until it stabilises at healthy weight, then you start your healthy life, but it's not a finish line, the effort continues by fighting unhealthy habit for the rest of your life.

Re:Andreas Kling – Failure is also a habit by jvanderbot on Friday July 07, 2023 @10:55AM (#36632674)
I've seen a handful people close to me go from 100lb+ overweight to a more comfortable 10 to 20 (or 50). And I think what GP described is a fundamental change to the relationship with food: You're (consciously at first) changing the definition of what needs to be consumed vs what is being consumed without need. They've all from what I've observed gone through this change.

They said that when you're really big, the first 10 lbs is the easiest to lose, and can come from taking stairs and changing snack habits. It's the last 10 lbs that requires the diligent workouts and very strict diets.