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Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by donatj on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @07:57PM (#36514459)
> At the end of 2022, it had just under 1.8 million subscribers

    1,800,000 * $20
        => $36,000,000
I don't know what I'm missing and what the overheads are but that seems like it should be able to support a fair number of writers easily?

Even so $20 per year seems impractically low. I pay ten times that for my Economist subscription. I really imagine they could strike a middle ground without losing too many subscribers.

Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by musicale on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @08:42PM (#36514844)
> seems like it should be able to support a fair number of writers easily?

I wonder where the money is going?

And I wonder how much a 1980s subscription cost (adjusted for inflation?)

>> The magazine was initially sold to the public as a perk for joining the society

Maybe that's not such a bad idea.

Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by prawn on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @10:42PM (#36515710)
Is some going towards contract film crews creating video content? e.g., Bertie Gregory's films?
Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by supportengineer on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @08:21PM (#36514672)
I keep seeing situations like this where the business tried everything except raise the unreasonably low price and maintain the quality.
Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by ClassyJacket on Thursday June 29, 2023 @12:39AM (#36516347)
Lunar Drive in cinema in Melbourne is tragically closing in a few weeks and they did the same thing. Ridiculous rates (council\land tax) of 1000$ a day really hurt them (corrupt bastards), and maybe it would've been unavoidable anyway, but they didn't even try putting up their stupidly low prices.

A carload of up to 7 people is STILL only 40$. A normal cinema would be 22 ish each!! Just charge normal prices!

Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by blagie on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @08:23PM (#36514700)
I imagine you breathe very rarefied air.

$20 is a lot for most families, outside of Silicon Valley, New York, Boston, and a few other areas.

Economist has rich subscribers. I don't think NatGeo would be anywhere close to 1.8M with higher prices.

Personally, I'd rather fly somewhere than see photos.

Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by zactato on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @08:34PM (#36514781)
20 is a lot for some people, but it’s like 5/6 beers most places. Sure in the poorest parts of the country this could make or break, but the list of places where people could afford it is much longer than SV, Boston, NYC.

What about suburban DC? Dallas? Houston? Denver? Salt Lake City? Chicago?

Not sure if your last sentence was intended to be ironic, but there’s nowhere you can fly that’s less than an Economist subscription

Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by irrational on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @08:45PM (#36514868)
A subscription is $209. Allegiant (and many other budget airlines) often have $40-50 round trip airfares.
Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by BoxFour on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @09:07PM (#36515045)
to be fair anywhere you’re going for $50 is probably close enough that it’s not exactly exotic.

Looking at allegiant’s site right now the only thing I could find for that price is a flight from Provo to Vegas

Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by andirk on Thursday June 29, 2023 @02:36AM (#36517136)
I'm glad I'm not the only one who measures money by drinks. I say "cocktails" like "I bet 4 cocktails on the Browns" but sometimes it's beer too.

$20 around SF here is less than a couple cocktails.

Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by aconsult1 on Thursday June 29, 2023 @07:53AM (#36519221)
I watched a movie today and ended up ordering pop corn + soda + water. 1 pop corn, 1 soda, 1 water freaking bottle (250ml). They charged me $30 + tips.

I think National Geographic (which I'm a subscriber) can charge 10x more without losing 90% of it's audience. It's the price to pay to receive good articles at your home and it's definitely worth tons more than drinking and eating junk in the dark.

Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by donatj on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @08:33PM (#36514777)
This is just silly.

I live in the Midwest. Even when I was living paycheck to paycheck in rural Minnesota, $20 per year was never a lot of money.

> Personally, I'd rather fly somewhere than see photos.

For the $200 per year I pay for The Economist I could maybe get to Chicago if I got a really good deal.

Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by woodruffw on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @08:45PM (#36514871)
It's $20 a year, not $20/issue. That's $1.67 a month.

Every dollar counts when you're impoverished, but I don't think National Geographic is making or breaking it based on a demographic that makes purchasing decisions at that margin.

Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by cma on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @08:48PM (#36514904)
> I don't think NatGeo would be anywhere close to 1.8M with higher prices.

Lots of it must be schools and doctor and dentist offices.

Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by mjmsmith on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @08:49PM (#36514907)
Lots of people like both. Some people use the photos to help decide where they'd like to fly.
Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by kortilla on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @08:50PM (#36514912)
$20 is a meal for 2 or 3 at McDonalds. Update your priors
Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by soligern on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @08:54PM (#36514952)
Nonsense. $20 a year for 12 issues of a magazine is absolutely nothing. Most lower income families probably spend more than that on two meals a day. Don’t cheapen the sympathy people have for the poor.
Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by setr on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @09:11PM (#36515072)
How are you talking about $20/yr sub being expensive while also comparing that subscription with flying out to various locales?

I don’t know where you’re finding such cheap flights

Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by antonvs on Thursday June 29, 2023 @05:56AM (#36518404)
Over 34% of American households make over 100k per year. That's hardly "rarified air". It's more people than voted for Trump.
Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by whimsicalism on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @08:01PM (#36514501)
I mean they’ll continue to publish the magazine and they have long relied heavily on freelance writers.
Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by mjmsmith on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @08:47PM (#36514896)
I'm even more surprised that the standard price for digital+print is only $40/yr. It can't be cheap to print.
Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by ClassyJacket on Thursday June 29, 2023 @12:40AM (#36516355)
Or deliver. I doubt that would even cover shipping.
Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by troymc on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @09:19PM (#36515116)
I was in the local drugstore yesterday, and browsed through the latest National Geographic in the magazine section. It cost $10 Canadian dollars to buy just that one single print issue (including a big map insert). Which is actually quite low; the hobbyist woodworking magazine cost about $15 (for one print issue).
Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by ghaff on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @10:52PM (#36515770)
The Economist, NYT, and WSJ in particular command pretty high subscription prices. Basically a coffee table magazine that most people are just going to flip through once a month probably less so. If I were more price sensitive, I'd probably think twice about my NYT and Economist subscriptions though my dad's on my Economist subscription anyway.
Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by coldtea on Thursday June 29, 2023 @05:20AM (#36518187)
>I don't know what I'm missing and what the overheads are but that seems like it should be able to support a fair number of writers easily?

At the current rate, it could have like 50 full time + part-time writers on staff (let's say 90K * 50 = 4.5M - might seem low for Silicon Valley, but professional journalists and writers would jump with joy for such a gig), plus dozens of office staff (say another 2M), plus fund 24 (2 per issue) year-long big stories with like up to 100K per story (2.5M). That would be like ~10M. They could pay rent, utilities, taxes, and other expenses with the rest of 36M (or even go remote, and save even more).

Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by bsimpson on Thursday June 29, 2023 @06:13AM (#36518540)
It's insane that so many of these massive companies look at successful businesses and go "close it, we make more money in other places" as if net revenue isn't a good thing on its own.
Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by cyberneticist on Thursday June 29, 2023 @07:32AM (#36519038)
It is because there are all kinds of cost not being factored in here.

You aren't going to keep the subscription base without spending a ton on marketing.

I am sure many other cost that we aren't thinking about since not in the magazine business.

To me, I am a prime example of someone who use to absolutely love magazines who could not be bothered now. There is no price that will get me to subscribe. I just don't want to be sent paper in the mail.

Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by tonightstoast on Thursday June 29, 2023 @07:59AM (#36519271)
They have an online subscription. It’s part of Apple News+
Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by coldtea on Thursday June 29, 2023 @08:08AM (#36519344)
>You aren't going to keep the subscription base without spending a ton on marketing

If you do quality work, you don't need to spend a ton on marketing. And this is very livable revenue - tons of media outlets thrived on less (inflation adjusted) back in the day.

The main problem is belonging to some conglomerate who doesn't care for such small profits or a business breaking even. They're an insect to them.

A corporation running from a non-profit dedicated to the mission (as opposed to those greedy people), or passionate private owner(s), would have no problem to continue.

Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by whimsicalism on Thursday June 29, 2023 @08:56AM (#36519755)
I don’t know how to put this but you are just absolutely wrong about the economics of this and beyond that you are confidently wrong even when presented with basic numbers.

Producing what National Geographic magazine does is not cheap and they have historically had much higher revenue. Nevermind that they are still continuing, just without staff writers.

Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by coldtea on Thursday June 29, 2023 @10:42AM (#36521027)
>Producing what National Geographic magazine does is not cheap

Nobody said it is. But what it used to cost to run it in the times of media excess and a much larger subscriber base, is not really reflective of what it can run on and still get good stories today.

Today though photo reporting and writing is much more competitive and cheaper than it has been, even at the top. Glassdoor puts NatGeo salaries at a $65K median.

And freelancers sent on a story are paid like 20K or so for 3 weeks salary plus expenses (for Americans. Regional freelancers can usually be paid even less). That makes 5 such stories per issue at 1.2M (internal editing, processing etc is already covered by regular staff, as is more generic articles that are not in the field assignments).

>even when presented with basic numbers.

Where are those "basic numbers"?

Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by russian-troll on Friday June 30, 2023 @07:01PM (#36543717)
Though I'm agree with you about conglomerate that doesn't care I honestly kek'd at If you do quality work, you don't need to spend a ton on marketing. To find a way to your potential customers is a continuous and never ending task for most businesses.
Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by taneliv on Thursday June 29, 2023 @06:15AM (#36518552)
I pay 45€ per year for membership, and subscription of the magazine is the only part of the membership I enjoy. Sure, postage to Europe costs extra, don't know how much.

If quality of the magazine deteriorates, I will cancel my membership. If the price goes up by 20%, I don't think I'll even notice.