A Proto-Pizza Emerges from a Fresco on a Pompeii Wall

Re:A Proto-Pizza Emerges from a Fresco on a Pompeii Wall by mrtksn on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @03:56AM (#36503622)

IMHO it's more like a case of getting invented in many places because it still needs to be invented and people are inventing it in very different forms.

You have the French/German Flammkuchen, which is an amazingly good version that I don't know why it's not widely known.

There's Lahmacun, which is the "Turkish Pizza" - a lot more spicy and thin version with minced meat with spice as topping. There's also Pide, which is ticker and closer to Italian pizza but the shape and the toppings are quite different(cubed meat, egg).

Then there are the American pizza types like Chicago-style that look significantly different than the Italian ones.

The one on the fresco looks like the Italian version.

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Re:A Proto-Pizza Emerges from a Fresco on a Pompeii Wall by ziftface on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @06:18AM (#36504518)

I think lahmacun's origins are at least more complicated than just Turkish. Even the name means "meat with dough" in Arabic.

As you said it was invented in many places though.

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Re:A Proto-Pizza Emerges from a Fresco on a Pompeii Wall by mrtksn on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @07:01AM (#36504784)

Sure, due to the history of the region(which is old as the history of humanity and religions) it's really not easy to attribute anything to any particular civilisation. It's almost a sport to argue over the origin of the dish between Greeks, Turks and Arabs.

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Re:A Proto-Pizza Emerges from a Fresco on a Pompeii Wall by sirfz on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @07:20AM (#36504877)

Indeed, lahmacun (lahmajoon) clearly comes from Arabic "lahm b ajin" (meat with bread) which is just another variation of the Mankoushe (منقوشة) - a flat bread with different toppings such as thyme, cheese and the famous meat variation.

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Re:A Proto-Pizza Emerges from a Fresco on a Pompeii Wall by pjmlp on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @06:32AM (#36504597)

Once in Basel I had a laugh, because a restaurant decided to translate Flammkuchen as "French Pizza" on their menus.

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Re:A Proto-Pizza Emerges from a Fresco on a Pompeii Wall by Symbiote on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @06:45AM (#36504685)

I'd like to promote British cuisine by including cheese on toast in your list.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheese_on_toast

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Re:A Proto-Pizza Emerges from a Fresco on a Pompeii Wall by amelius on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @07:52AM (#36505118)

There's also:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melt_sandwich

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Re:A Proto-Pizza Emerges from a Fresco on a Pompeii Wall by toyg on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @11:07AM (#36507554)

> British cuisine

No such thing has actually existed since at least WWI.

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Re:A Proto-Pizza Emerges from a Fresco on a Pompeii Wall by xyzzy3000 on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @12:38PM (#36508955)

Chicken Tikka Masala says otherwise.

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Re:A Proto-Pizza Emerges from a Fresco on a Pompeii Wall by gm3dmo on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @01:03PM (#36509309)

Fish and Chips has entered the chat.

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Re:A Proto-Pizza Emerges from a Fresco on a Pompeii Wall by xyzzy3000 on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @05:44PM (#36513050)

Although fish and chips predate the first world war by quite a bit.

Let us not overlook the deep-fried Mars bar.

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