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Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by jacquesm on Sunday June 25, 2023 @02:21PM (#36471148)
> Every protagonist is a normal person, though sometimes extremely competent.

Or extremely incompetent! Gaston LaGaffe springs to mind, it's one of the most endearing and nice comics that I've had the pleasure to read.

And in a way Asterix is a superhero.

What strikes me about European comics from that era is that they are in general much more interesting culturally.

Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by matthewaveryusa on Sunday June 25, 2023 @03:37PM (#36471803)
asterix heros are kind of brilliant like that. asterix is like superman but superman has superpowers that can be thwarted by kryptonite while asterix is simply the cleverest gauleois that makes the most out of getafix’s potion (wait, get a fix?? is that a pun I just discovered after 20 years?) On the other hand obelix is a big dummy that always has the potion superpowers (by virtue of falling in a coldron of it when he was young) and is terrible at using his superpowers without the help of the cunning asterix.
Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by srean on Sunday June 25, 2023 @04:18PM (#36472162)
> wait, get a fix?? is that a pun I just discovered after 20 years?

You must be kidding ! Readymix just doesnt cut it. My favourites are dubbelosix, squareonthehypothenus and dogmatix.

Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by andrepd on Sunday June 25, 2023 @04:37PM (#36472348)
Dogmatix is an especially brilliant one, since the original is Idéafix (stubborn, single-minded, literally "of fixed ideas"), and the translation not only manages to preserve that meaning but also add "Dog" to it :)
Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by srean on Sunday June 25, 2023 @04:54PM (#36472488)
Exactly! The translators did such a fantastic job over all. I would have imagined that kind of humor to be untranslatable.
Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by jacquesm on Sunday June 25, 2023 @05:23PM (#36472726)
Same with the Muppets, whoever translated that show was doing an amazing job.
Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by antod on Sunday June 25, 2023 @06:17PM (#36473208)
Yup, even as a kid I could tell the translators also had to be comedic geniuses too. I would constantly be marveling at the names, and how they were only a joke that made sense in English.
Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by poizan42 on Sunday June 25, 2023 @10:12PM (#36474924)
The original name would work in English too though. In the Danish translation the dog is is just idéfix which works just as well in Danish.
Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by schoen on Sunday June 25, 2023 @11:33PM (#36475454)
English does have the loanword https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/id%C3%A9e_fixe#English but I think this is often considered technical vocabulary (per Wiktionary, in psychology and music composition) that most native speakers would probably not recognize.
Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by poizan42 on Monday June 26, 2023 @10:43AM (#36480250)
I meant that idea and fixed are both English words, so it should be possible to associate ideafix with "fixed idea" - a bit more obscure though than the original.
Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by YeGoblynQueenne on Monday June 26, 2023 @03:24PM (#36484515)
Idéfix, not Idéafix! "Idea" is "idée" in French. It comes from "idée fixte" which means fixed idea, like you say, or in other words, an obsession.
Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by andrepd on Monday June 26, 2023 @05:32PM (#36486173)
Oops, you're right! I was mislead since in my native language, in which I read the books as a child, he is called Ideafix :)
Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by danielheath on Sunday June 25, 2023 @07:54PM (#36473937)
Not to mention Lucretia, the young woman who married the wealthy old man (Lucre)
Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by srean on Monday June 26, 2023 @11:19AM (#36480824)
Good find ! had missed that one.
Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by jacquesm on Monday June 26, 2023 @05:15AM (#36477485)
He even looks like Sean Connery!
Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by srean on Monday June 26, 2023 @11:12AM (#36480678)
There's much much more. Hope you enjoy some of these below.

https://www.everythingasterix.com/news-and-views-content/201...

https://www.everythingasterix.com/news-and-views-content/201...

You will find Paul McCartney too. When I read them as a kid in India I missed many of these, not the Beatles or Dubbelosix.

I have read every one of the 'originals' (Goscinny and Uderzo ones) so many times, but even now when I re-read them in my late 40s I discover something that I had missed before. Usually something happening in the background -- mark of stellar writing and drawing.

Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by YeGoblynQueenne on Monday June 26, 2023 @03:22PM (#36484480)
Dubbleosix is "zerozerosix" in the original. Maps one-to-one, I'd say.
Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by ggambetta on Sunday June 25, 2023 @04:19PM (#36472171)
I grew up on Asterix, but translated to Spanish. The names were all different, but usually good puns too. Admirable that they made that work in every language they translated them to!
Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by Jarmsy on Sunday June 25, 2023 @06:29PM (#36473320)
The English translators did a great job. This page always stuck in my head for the wordplay: https://2.bp.blogspot.com/ZRlllWCKGjl9aKUy7F_WhgF4-B9fo74LY9...
Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by Jarmsy on Sunday June 25, 2023 @06:43PM (#36473419)
Most of the joke is the same as the original, but the 'mild and bitter' part is an addition by the translators. Here's a blog post on them with a comparison of this and a few other pages https://auntymuriel.com/2012/12/23/asterix-in-translation-th...
Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by pie314isi on Monday June 26, 2023 @06:06AM (#36477751)
I knew it would be this page before I clicked. Was not disappointed. This is the most amazing wordplay ever.
Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by abhgh on Monday June 26, 2023 @12:32AM (#36475746)
As a kid discovering the puns over time was a delight. I still remember revisiting an issue after I had fractured my arm, and doing a happy double-take coming across a couple called Ulna and Radius (these are the bones in the forearm [1])!

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radius_(bone)

Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by shakow on Sunday June 25, 2023 @04:29PM (#36472274)
> wait, get a fix?? is that a pun I just discovered after 20 years?

If it's like in the French original (where Getafix is Assurancetourix, i.e. assurance tous-risques, full-coverage insurance), every single character name is a pun; so keep searching if you're missing some ;)

Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by AntiqueFig on Sunday June 25, 2023 @04:52PM (#36472474)
> where Getafix is Assurancetourix

Panoramix*

Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by shakow on Sunday June 25, 2023 @04:55PM (#36472502)
Geez, you're right :/

Welp, here is my excuse to binge the whole serie once again.

Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by glandium on Sunday June 25, 2023 @06:02PM (#36473078)
Assurancetourix is the bard.
Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by Jarmsy on Sunday June 25, 2023 @06:46PM (#36473445)
Who in the English became Cacofonix
Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by jacquesm on Sunday June 25, 2023 @04:55PM (#36472498)
All the names are puns, even the translated ones. They're also super funny if you finally get it.
Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by RobinL on Sunday June 25, 2023 @05:10PM (#36472629)
A podcast on this topic that I enjoyed: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06txxmq
Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by nevster on Sunday June 25, 2023 @11:54PM (#36475583)
Warning : you may spend several hours here...

http://asterix.openscroll.org/

There are annotations which explain all the name puns, Latin translations etc.

Eg, in Asterix and the Big Fight, the character Cassius Ceramix - Ceramics: baked clay, earthenware. Cassius is a Roman name. Also a play on Cassius Clay, which was Mohammed Ali's given name

Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by YeGoblynQueenne on Monday June 26, 2023 @03:11PM (#36484378)
After growing up with Astérix and learning half my French from it (the other half from Tintin) there was a pun that I finally got only now, many years later, thanks to a French colleague.

In "Le Domaine des Dieux" (The Manions of the Gods) there is a character called "Oursenplus". This always registered to me as saying "And a bear" ("ours" is "bear" and "en plus" is like "one more" or "on top of that").

Then I asked my colleague: "I don't get this Oursenplus pun from Astérix, can you tell what it means?".

My colleague hadn't read the issue so he didn't immediately catch what I said, but he replied "Comment? Ours en peluche?"

Which, said quickly with a French accent sounds very much like "oursenplush" (with a "shh") and means ... "teddy bear" ("peluche" is "felt"; a plushy).

Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by jacquesm on Thursday June 29, 2023 @06:37PM (#36527800)
I have this kind of epiphany regularly with pop songs that I've known since childhood. I hear them again and my English is so much better now than it was back then that I realize I completely misunderstood the lyrics.
Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by lostlogin on Monday June 26, 2023 @03:04AM (#36476618)
> getafix

Half the names are like this. My favourites are Dogmatix, Vitalstatistix and Impedimenta.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Asterix_characters

Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by Georgelemental on Monday June 26, 2023 @10:47AM (#36480291)
Note that the names of many characters are changed from the original French, with different plays on words.
Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by GuB-42 on Monday June 26, 2023 @11:16AM (#36480758)
And sometimes the English ones are better! And I say it as a French who grew up on Asterix. In my opinion, the original names are good, but not great, and the translators did an outstanding job.

For example, the original French name for Dogmatix is Idéfix, which conveys the same idea, but without the "dog" pun.

Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by vidarh on Sunday June 25, 2023 @05:25PM (#36472737)
Gaston LaGaffe is finally available in English as Gomer Goof for those who can't read French (or any of the many other languages, including minor ones like Norwegian, who got translations long before English)
Re:Tintin, Hergé and Chang – A Friendship That Changed the W... by Tuna-Fish on Sunday June 25, 2023 @08:07PM (#36474041)
The comics code authority neutered American comics for 4 decades. It's only when its grip started faltering that American comics got interesting again.

There are basically no European comics from the silver age period that wouldn't violate the CCA code in some way. American comics were samey precisely because the formulaic stories they told were basically the only ones that were allowed.