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Re:Top Secret U.S. Navy System Heard Titan Implosion Days Ago by ALittleLight on Thursday June 22, 2023 @06:39PM (#36440159)
What's the point of keeping the public in the dark for 3 days?
Re:Top Secret U.S. Navy System Heard Titan Implosion Days Ago by dazilcher on Thursday June 22, 2023 @06:41PM (#36440177)
Certainty.
Re:Top Secret U.S. Navy System Heard Titan Implosion Days Ago by tw04 on Thursday June 22, 2023 @06:45PM (#36440228)
Because they wanted to at least give a few days to find conclusive proof (wreckage) so they could inform the family's before all of us?
Re:Top Secret U.S. Navy System Heard Titan Implosion Days Ago by ALittleLight on Thursday June 22, 2023 @08:24PM (#36441112)
"Hey, we're pretty sure your family is dead, because we heard them die, but we're going to give you a few days of thinking they're suffocating to death in a cold dark can because..."

This is just reasoning after the fact. It doesn't make sense to conceal evidence. If this used some secret technology, okay, why say it publicly now? If it's okay to be public, why not a few days ago?

Re:Top Secret U.S. Navy System Heard Titan Implosion Days Ago by satisfice on Thursday June 22, 2023 @08:52PM (#36441319)
They certainly told the family about the implosion noise, because I heard one of the expert commentators remark on how he knew about it prior to the news about the knocking noises. If he knew, the family knew.

I think they were just holding out hope that it wasn’t an implosion noise.

Re:Top Secret U.S. Navy System Heard Titan Implosion Days Ago by ALittleLight on Thursday June 22, 2023 @09:03PM (#36441415)
It's fine to hold out hope, but there's no point to concealing evidence. Why not report what's actually happening to the best of your knowledge?
Re:Top Secret U.S. Navy System Heard Titan Implosion Days Ago by satisfice on Thursday June 29, 2023 @05:53PM (#36527283)
I agree.
Re:Top Secret U.S. Navy System Heard Titan Implosion Days Ago by Ratiofarmings on Friday June 23, 2023 @04:00AM (#36444077)
Because dealing with it internally and informing the public are two entirely different things. They may well have told the families some things, but not the public. Afterall this is a privately funded venture and the rescue effort isn't going to be paid for by the public either. They owe us nothing.
Re:Top Secret U.S. Navy System Heard Titan Implosion Days Ago by ragingrobot on Friday June 23, 2023 @06:10AM (#36444861)
> They owe us nothing.

Agreed.

We seem, as a culture, to feel we're owed, or entitled, to everything nowaways.

By releasing this information, there would have possible been a massive outcry by the (unconcerned) public and the families involved that the parties involved weren't doing enough. Everyone would have hopped on the "you're too slow to act" bandwagon. This despite not having any knowledge or expertise in the area.

They may have created some headaches at this point, but saved themselves a lot of undeserved headaches and media criticism by not releasing info earlier.

Re:Top Secret U.S. Navy System Heard Titan Implosion Days Ago by redeeman on Friday June 23, 2023 @07:34AM (#36445440)
> They owe us nothing.

Are you referring to the actual "government" ? because in that case, it definitely seems like they owe their own citizens something?

Re:Top Secret U.S. Navy System Heard Titan Implosion Days Ago by pohl on Friday June 23, 2023 @09:03AM (#36446267)
They do, but what they owe differs by what part of the government one is dealing with. You’ll find that, with regards to the military, one thing they do not owe to citizens is real-time, unfettered access to intelligence.
Re:Top Secret U.S. Navy System Heard Titan Implosion Days Ago by trogdor on Friday June 23, 2023 @02:23PM (#36450488)
>the rescue effort isn't going to be paid for by the public either

That is not true. The federal government does not charge for search and rescue.

Why do you believe otherwise?

Re:Top Secret U.S. Navy System Heard Titan Implosion Days Ago by tw04 on Friday June 23, 2023 @09:37AM (#36446678)
"Hey we heard a loud boom that may or may not mean your family is dead, and we have no other source of confirmation at this point but just stew on that for a few days while we try to confirm."

Do you have NO empathy? Why would they tell the family they think everyone is dead without verifiable proof and within the window in which they could still be alive? (4 days of oxygen). What is the benefit beyond a bunch of virtual gawkers getting slightly more information slightly quicker?

Re:Top Secret U.S. Navy System Heard Titan Implosion Days Ago by ALittleLight on Saturday June 24, 2023 @02:48AM (#36456225)
I'm rolling my eyes at the "Do you have NO empathy" bit. Is it empathy that drives one to lie by omission to obfuscate the death of others? Is that the word for it?

You don't have to tell the family you're certain they are dead, if you aren't, but you should tell the family "We heard a sound consistent with implosion at the same time we simultaneously lost communications and telemetry from the sub. The most rational explanation is that they are all dead." Once you've told the family, you should tell the public.

What people are engaging in here, you included, is some kind of baffling Just World bias. That is, this unusual circumstance has happened - the sub imploded, the government knew, the government waited days to tell the public, and now you and others are defending the government's actions - as if, because it happened this way it must be justified in happening this way. In reality, of course, it's completely irrational - that's why you don't even bother to defend the course of events rather than imply I lack empathy (which, again, backwards because you are defending lying to the bereaved for no gain, in order to deceive them into believing their loved ones are huddled in the cold and dark and slowly suffocating when you know they are not).

There is absolutely no reason to temporarily conceal the deaths. The government should have notified the families with their information, and then the public.

Re:Top Secret U.S. Navy System Heard Titan Implosion Days Ago by awb on Thursday June 22, 2023 @06:47PM (#36440247)
Probably a mixture of declassification procedures, no imminent danger to the public and a desire to confirm the incident visually before giving up hope.
Re:Top Secret U.S. Navy System Heard Titan Implosion Days Ago by pfannkuchen on Friday June 23, 2023 @02:01AM (#36443349)
Don’t forget bureaucracy!
Re:Top Secret U.S. Navy System Heard Titan Implosion Days Ago by danso on Thursday June 22, 2023 @06:49PM (#36440261)
Why is the Navy obligated to say something before the wreck is found? Coast Guard was still going to do a search anyway, and it’s not as if tiktokers were sailing out to help with the search.

The US government did reject the OceanGate’s and Explorer’s Group request for military airlifts, so it’s possible the Navy intel played a part in saving those resources from being pointlessly expended

https://twitter.com/NewsNation/status/1670998331663994882?s=...

edit: added “not” to the tiktokers doing a search

Re:Top Secret U.S. Navy System Heard Titan Implosion Days Ago by afavour on Thursday June 22, 2023 @06:49PM (#36440264)
I’d flip it: what’s the point in informing the public about something you’re not definitive about? Particularly when lives are at stake.
Re:Top Secret U.S. Navy System Heard Titan Implosion Days Ago by ALittleLight on Thursday June 22, 2023 @08:46PM (#36441285)
They heard the implosion at the same time they lost contact with the sub. Why not say that? There is neither added nor diminished risk to life by revealing or concealing that.

As for what the point of informing the public is - the government serves the public and the public was interested. Without a compelling reason to keep information secret the government should share.

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Re:Top Secret U.S. Navy System Heard Titan Implosion Days Ago by aredox on Friday June 23, 2023 @07:19AM (#36445335)
Your voyeurism is annoying and very off-putting.

Find yourself saner hobbies.

Re:Top Secret U.S. Navy System Heard Titan Implosion Days Ago by ALittleLight on Friday June 23, 2023 @04:58PM (#36452081)
4/5 of your last comments are about this topic.

The government shouldn't conceal information to mislead the public without some compelling reason. Since no reason exists here, the government shouldn't have done that.

Re:Top Secret U.S. Navy System Heard Titan Implosion Days Ago by aredox on Friday June 23, 2023 @05:51PM (#36452637)
Yeah, and I don't complain we should be informed of everything and anything and what a scandal it is that we're not. What's your point?
Re:Top Secret U.S. Navy System Heard Titan Implosion Days Ago by jzymbaluk on Thursday June 22, 2023 @06:52PM (#36440305)
Top secret info is shared on a need-to-know basis. The coast guard needed the information, the public didn't
Re:Top Secret U.S. Navy System Heard Titan Implosion Days Ago by paleotrope on Thursday June 22, 2023 @10:13PM (#36441997)
Why does the public need to know now if that is the case?

I think it's likely the news articles are making it sound more definitive than the Navy was thinking, or maybe the person leaking it to the press was trying to make themselves seem more important or make the Navy seem more omniscient.

It does sound like the Navy reviewed their data they had already collected and discovered the implosion and informed people on site that they likely had a termination event.

Re:Top Secret U.S. Navy System Heard Titan Implosion Days Ago by soultrees on Friday June 23, 2023 @04:06AM (#36444109)
Great chance to look for Russian subs.
Re:Top Secret U.S. Navy System Heard Titan Implosion Days Ago by ChrisRR on Friday June 23, 2023 @04:07AM (#36444116)
What's the point in telling the public any of this anyway? Was there any reason for these people's deaths to be in the news? It has no effect on people's lives.
Re:Top Secret U.S. Navy System Heard Titan Implosion Days Ago by lm28469 on Friday June 23, 2023 @06:41AM (#36445078)
People shouldn't even be aware of the loss of this sub. I feel like we're in a black mirror episode, who gives a fuck ? seriously
Re:Top Secret U.S. Navy System Heard Titan Implosion Days Ago by jhbadger on Friday June 23, 2023 @03:20PM (#36451095)
It's worth knowing just how unregulated the whole "adventure tourism" industry is. You might be not in the wealth bracket for Titanic tours, but there are more reasonably priced "adventurous" things you could do and it is worth being aware that nobody seems to be checking if these things are safe.