Swift Ownership Manifesto

Re:Swift Ownership Manifesto by Larrikin on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @07:42PM (#36220681)

Swift is most comparable to Kotlin in the current crop of languages and the Kotlin team is doing their best to get multiplatform, backend, KotlinJS, and native everywhere. Kotlin dominates Android obviously, but is growing quickly on the backend. The other implementations are still early but they continue to be improved.

I don't see Swift anywhere outside of Apple and don't see why anyone would reach for it instead of Kotlin.

It also doesn't help that JetBrains has an IDE that makes development in the language so nice people are willing to pay for it and Xcode easily is the worst user experience of any current product developed by Apple.

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Re:Swift Ownership Manifesto by lockhouse on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @07:53PM (#36220779)

I see people claim this frequently that Kotlin is used a lot on the backend, but there’s very little evidence that this is true.

I absolutely will concede that Swift is in practice an Apple only language, but I feel Kotlin is essentially an Android only language in practice as well.

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Re:Swift Ownership Manifesto by jitl on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @08:36PM (#36221150)

We had a bunch of Kotlin on the server at Airbnb in 2018.

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Re:Swift Ownership Manifesto by tadfisher on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @11:20PM (#36222454)

Nope, Kotlin is plenty popular on backend, so much so it's mundane to see it in popular frameworks like Spring and Play. It helps that it's designed to coexist with Java.

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Re:Swift Ownership Manifesto by pjmlp on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @04:14AM (#36224265)

It is almost meaningless, about 10% if at all.

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Re:Swift Ownership Manifesto by winrid on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @12:18AM (#36222766)

DoorDash moved their python backend to kotlin afaik

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