Fool me once, you invade a country and lie about everything.

Ukraine exaggerates their victories to get weapons.

Russia lies about war crimes, murdering civilians, rape, etc.

It's called "fog of war". If you believe everything Ukraine/US/EU says you are just as much as a fool as if you did believing Russia.

Of course you shouldn't blindly believe everything one side says, but saying that Russia is as trustworthy as the rest of the world (barring a dozen countries at the bottom of the democracy ranking) is just wrong.

One said Ukrainians are nazis and satanists and that NATO wants to invade Russia. And that Russia won't invade in 2022.

The other side said Russia wants to invade and that it will invade in 2022.

Believing that when there's 2 sides the truth is always in the middle is foolishness.

russia invaded, end of story. keep your pedestrian whataboutism to yourself, please.

This "whataboutism" is perfectly valid, because it highlights double standards. Whataboutism isn't a blanket logical fallacy, it's applicable in certain scenarios.

Russia is the invader, Ukraine is the victim: there is no common standard that is applicable to both of them. Be better.

Since you seemed to appreciate logical fallacies, your argument starts with an appeal to emotion [0], then ends with ad hominem [1]. There's no point in your argument, nor in your personal attack, since nobody denied the war or mentioned anything about it in this thread of ours. Siding with the victim doesn't suddenly make your logic perfectly sound, and it doesn't make your peers side with the aggressors, either. Let's keep discussions civil, shall we?

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Defend slavery and the poor cotton farmers next using freshman college terms and Wikipedia links.

What are you trying to say? To hell with facts and reason, if they're opposing my politics or emotions?

I guess critics of enlightenment were right: humans ain't improving shit. We're only pretending to, and it works only as long as the culture allows it.

Pearl-clutching alone is not a valid justification to end a discussion.

It’s not pearl-clutching when you have seen missiles and drones flying towards your house like I have.

I agree with the intention of this comment. However, "fog of war" usually refers to the situation the fighting soldiers and commanders are in, not to the situation the ordinary population. It refers to the fact, that the soldiers and commanders themselves need to fight. Where they need to base their decisions on an understanding of the situation high uncertainty.

The OP "believes" that the Russians bombed out their own pipeline, a thing not even mentioned by the Western press anymore (it's all a "blob" for them at this point).

The flooding affects the left side of the river, the side that the Russians control. This also leaves the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant in danger of having no cooling left, the same Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant that had been shelled by Ukrainians in the lest six to eight months with not even a slap on the wrist from the Westerners.

>This also leaves the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant in danger of having no cooling left, the same Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant that

It does not work like that, the plant is in cold shutdown and has all the water it needs. Also, the water is taken from the bottom of the reservoir/river.

>had been shelled by Ukrainians in the lest six to eight months with not even a slap on the wrist from the Westerners.

You forgot to add that it was shelled with magical shells that flip always flip when hitting the ground, making it look like russians did it! The same with donetsk buildings getting hit from southeastern side! Satanic technology.

It’s clear that we live in totally two separate worlds. Time will tell.

This recent event also made me aware that the Ukrainian men that I see daily here in the streets of Bucharest have not run away from the Russians, but from some of their fellow Ukrainians.

> the same Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant that had been shelled by Ukrainians in the lest six to eight months with not even a slap on the wrist from the Westerners.

I'm glad you brought up another item to my list.