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Re:The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been b... by sschueller on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @02:31AM (#36208931)
It's called "fog of war". If you believe everything Ukraine/US/EU says you are just as much as a fool as if you did believing Russia.
Re:The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been b... by lawn on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @02:35AM (#36208965)
Of course you shouldn't blindly believe everything one side says, but saying that Russia is as trustworthy as the rest of the world (barring a dozen countries at the bottom of the democracy ranking) is just wrong.
Re:The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been b... by ajuc on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @02:36AM (#36208968)
One said Ukrainians are nazis and satanists and that NATO wants to invade Russia. And that Russia won't invade in 2022.

The other side said Russia wants to invade and that it will invade in 2022.

Believing that when there's 2 sides the truth is always in the middle is foolishness.

Re:The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been b... by jevgeni on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @02:37AM (#36208974)
russia invaded, end of story. keep your pedestrian whataboutism to yourself, please.
Re:The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been b... by randunel on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @02:41AM (#36209008)
This "whataboutism" is perfectly valid, because it highlights double standards. Whataboutism isn't a blanket logical fallacy, it's applicable in certain scenarios.
Re:The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been b... by jevgeni on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @02:48AM (#36209072)
Russia is the invader, Ukraine is the victim: there is no common standard that is applicable to both of them. Be better.
Re:The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been b... by randunel on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @03:16AM (#36209304)
Since you seemed to appreciate logical fallacies, your argument starts with an appeal to emotion [0], then ends with ad hominem [1]. There's no point in your argument, nor in your personal attack, since nobody denied the war or mentioned anything about it in this thread of ours. Siding with the victim doesn't suddenly make your logic perfectly sound, and it doesn't make your peers side with the aggressors, either. Let's keep discussions civil, shall we?

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Re:The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been b... by Larrikin on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @03:42AM (#36209503)
Defend slavery and the poor cotton farmers next using freshman college terms and Wikipedia links.
Re:The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been b... by TeMPOraL on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @03:50AM (#36209569)
What are you trying to say? To hell with facts and reason, if they're opposing my politics or emotions?

I guess critics of enlightenment were right: humans ain't improving shit. We're only pretending to, and it works only as long as the culture allows it.

Re:The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been b... by arcanemachiner on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @02:51AM (#36209106)
Pearl-clutching alone is not a valid justification to end a discussion.
Re:The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been b... by yakshaving_jgt on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @02:55AM (#36209145)
It’s not pearl-clutching when you have seen missiles and drones flying towards your house like I have.
Re:The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been b... by k0k0r0 on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @02:43AM (#36209028)
I agree with the intention of this comment. However, "fog of war" usually refers to the situation the fighting soldiers and commanders are in, not to the situation the ordinary population. It refers to the fact, that the soldiers and commanders themselves need to fight. Where they need to base their decisions on an understanding of the situation high uncertainty.
Re:The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been b... by paganel on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @03:23AM (#36209362)
The OP "believes" that the Russians bombed out their own pipeline, a thing not even mentioned by the Western press anymore (it's all a "blob" for them at this point).