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Re:iOS 17 makes iPhone more personal and intuitive by TheSoftwareGuy on Monday June 05, 2023 @02:55PM (#36201306)
Some of the smaller updates will be a nice QOL bump for me:

> For easier and more secure password and passkeys sharing, users can share passwords with a group of trusted contacts. Everyone in the group can add and edit passwords to keep them up to date. Since sharing is through iCloud Keychain, it’s end-to-end encrypted.

>Maps adds offline maps, so users can download a specific area and access turn-by-turn navigation, see their estimated time of arrival, find places in Maps, and more while offline. Maps also makes it easier than ever to discover thousands of trails in parks across the United States, and supports electric vehicle drivers with real-time charging availability information.

>AirTag can be shared with up to five other people, allowing friends and family to keep track of an item in Find My. Everyone in a group will be able to see an item’s location, play a sound, and use Precision Finding to help pinpoint the location of a shared AirTag when nearby. This also works with all other Find My network accessories.

Re:iOS 17 makes iPhone more personal and intuitive by throw0101c on Monday June 05, 2023 @03:08PM (#36201661)
> For easier and more secure password and passkeys sharing […]

Note there is a IETF draft for credential transfers:

* https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-secure-credential-tra...

Apple and Alphabet/Google as authors.

Re:iOS 17 makes iPhone more personal and intuitive by rootusrootus on Monday June 05, 2023 @03:00PM (#36201466)
Shared passwords/passkeys comes pretty close to eliminating my need for a 1Password subscription. But it kinda depends on what other login-associated details Apple lets you put together with the password.
Re:iOS 17 makes iPhone more personal and intuitive by graftak on Monday June 05, 2023 @05:11PM (#36203646)
ProBably TOTP and a comment entry field (that I use for recovery codes).
Re:iOS 17 makes iPhone more personal and intuitive by guestbest on Monday June 05, 2023 @03:56PM (#36202617)
The offline mapping is huge since I went to big bend national park in texas and rerouting in one of the massive areas without a network would get a precise location using GPS on a black map that couldn’t download. Also, I make sure to have a full tank of gas in the desert as the next gas station may be 90 miles away
Re:iOS 17 makes iPhone more personal and intuitive by paxys on Monday June 05, 2023 @04:04PM (#36202736)
Google Maps has had offline maps support on iOS/Android for at least a decade now.
Re:iOS 17 makes iPhone more personal and intuitive by matsemann on Monday June 05, 2023 @04:36PM (#36203221)
HERE Maps by Nokia had offline maps, including search & navigation, over a decade ago. At the time Google had only offline maps with tiles and some POIs, no navigation or similar things.
Re:iOS 17 makes iPhone more personal and intuitive by perfectstorm on Monday June 05, 2023 @04:45PM (#36203348)
i loved the HERE Maps when i had a Windows Phone. we navigated two countries in Europe without ever needing to turn on data roaming. this was back in 2013 i think? it was mind-blowingly good to navigate from one end of the country to the other end using just offline maps.
Re:iOS 17 makes iPhone more personal and intuitive by walterbell on Monday June 05, 2023 @06:19PM (#36204845)
Here Maps is still available on iOS and Android with offline maps. Owned by an EU auto consortium and well maintained.
Re:iOS 17 makes iPhone more personal and intuitive by astrange on Monday June 05, 2023 @09:42PM (#36206998)
Well, not if you like your maps to have Japan in them, since it doesn't.
Re:iOS 17 makes iPhone more personal and intuitive by walterbell on Monday June 05, 2023 @10:24PM (#36207277)
Re:iOS 17 makes iPhone more personal and intuitive by astrange on Monday June 05, 2023 @10:52PM (#36207476)
There might be such regulations, but they're much less strict than South Korea if so.
Re:iOS 17 makes iPhone more personal and intuitive by shocks on Monday June 05, 2023 @04:19PM (#36202976)
Yeah but navigation requires internet.

I drove through Death Valley and thought I was super smart by pre-downloading the whole area…

Re:iOS 17 makes iPhone more personal and intuitive by paxys on Monday June 05, 2023 @04:32PM (#36203169)
It does not. You can navigate perfectly fine fully offline. In your case either the maps weren't downloaded correctly, or the phone was reporting that it had internet connectivity so the app was trying to use it over the offline cache. Putting it in airplane mode may have fixed it.
Re:iOS 17 makes iPhone more personal and intuitive by williamcotton on Monday June 05, 2023 @07:22PM (#36205736)
I don’t even have a data plan on my phone so I can definitely say that navigation works just fine when offline!
Re:iOS 17 makes iPhone more personal and intuitive by iamthepieman on Monday June 05, 2023 @04:24PM (#36203037)
Not if the entire area is within the downloaded map. I've been using google maps this way for a while now since I live in a rural area without solid coverage.
Re:iOS 17 makes iPhone more personal and intuitive by shocks on Monday June 05, 2023 @04:42PM (#36203302)
Maybe because the drive was long (Vegas to Bakersfield) and covered multiple downloaded areas?
Re:iOS 17 makes iPhone more personal and intuitive by noahchumsky on Monday June 05, 2023 @06:02PM (#36204579)
I had to break it up into two legs to do a similar route (first to Lake Isabella then to Bakersfield)
Re:iOS 17 makes iPhone more personal and intuitive by perfectstorm on Monday June 05, 2023 @04:23PM (#36203034)
that's not true. it can navigate without internet as long as you have downloaded the maps ahead of time. i have definitely used it in a few parks including Death valley NP and it worked fine. maybe your download got corrupted somehow or expired?
Re:iOS 17 makes iPhone more personal and intuitive by com2kid on Monday June 05, 2023 @05:01PM (#36203527)
Microsoft maps (prior to even Bing, I forget the official name) had downloaded maps back in 2007 on Windows Mobile 6.1.

Apple is a bit late to the game here, but obviously this isn't a make it or break it feature for the success of a mobile platform!

Re:iOS 17 makes iPhone more personal and intuitive by guestbest on Monday June 05, 2023 @05:33PM (#36204069)
I tried that at the time, I did plan for this eventuality in Nov 2020, but I remember that this didn’t work for that area. I forget why, but I was also trying to route towards gas stations since we were taking the scenic route and the stations were much further apart than I had expected. I also had a ham radio, but no programmed frequencies. It was like time traveling to the 1990’s except I had XM radio
Re:iOS 17 makes iPhone more personal and intuitive by bilsbie on Monday June 05, 2023 @06:13PM (#36204741)
Paper maps have had this for centuries.
Re:iOS 17 makes iPhone more personal and intuitive by wilg on Monday June 05, 2023 @07:12PM (#36205595)
People are downvoting this, but it's true. Unfortunately they often were lacking major continents.
Re:iOS 17 makes iPhone more personal and intuitive by robertoandred on Monday June 05, 2023 @06:21PM (#36204870)
And now Apple Maps will have it, yay!
Re:iOS 17 makes iPhone more personal and intuitive by umeshunni on Monday June 05, 2023 @04:04PM (#36202741)
Other major mapping apps have had this feature for a decade
Re:iOS 17 makes iPhone more personal and intuitive by singleshot_ on Monday June 05, 2023 @04:54PM (#36203454)
OnX is outstanding. You might enjoy it.
Re:iOS 17 makes iPhone more personal and intuitive by gumby on Monday June 05, 2023 @05:37PM (#36204128)
PSA: for environments like that you really should have a paper map and a compass for the same reason you should make sure your tank is full.

You don't have to be a wizard navigator or anything but those will operate when you have no signal and also show you a bigger picture of how to get where you want to go when you find you aren't where you want to be.

Re:iOS 17 makes iPhone more personal and intuitive by pkulak on Monday June 05, 2023 @04:01PM (#36202695)
> AirTag can be shared with up to five other people

Finally! Every time either me or my wife goes out of town we have to remove the luggage airtags from one account and add them back in to the other one. When my kid leaves his jacket somewhere at school, only his phone can find it. Super annoying.

Re:iOS 17 makes iPhone more personal and intuitive by bsimpson on Monday June 05, 2023 @04:24PM (#36203047)
Netflix: We're coming for your shared accounts.

Apple: And here's how you can securely share those passwords.

Re:iOS 17 makes iPhone more personal and intuitive by m463 on Monday June 05, 2023 @05:31PM (#36204023)
How does netflix notice a shared account anyway?

Is it just two devices accessing the same profile?

how does it handle legitimate scenarios like the kid away at college or someone traveling?

Re:iOS 17 makes iPhone more personal and intuitive by runjake on Monday June 05, 2023 @05:37PM (#36204135)
Well, Netflix used to have a page[1] that specified how, but it's since been dumbed down. It used to say it uses a combination of IP addresses (and geoip), device IDs, and account activity from devices signed into your Netflix account.

1. https://help.netflix.com/en/node/123277

Re:iOS 17 makes iPhone more personal and intuitive by rodgerd on Monday June 05, 2023 @06:57PM (#36205401)
Credential sharing is a huge QoL improvement in an ordinary-folks kind of way, and very pleasing.

Now if only the Contacts team would do the same.

Re:iOS 17 makes iPhone more personal and intuitive by gigel82 on Monday June 05, 2023 @08:06PM (#36206223)
> users can share passwords with a group of trusted contacts

Such as the FBI and the Chinese Government!

It's end-to-end encrypted, and the encryption key is safely stored in the same data center for authorities to use.

No thanks, I'll stick to my self-hosted VaultWarden.