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Re:Asia Sentinel Blocked in Singapore by eatbitseveryday on Friday June 02, 2023 @10:32PM (#36173153)
I assumed Singapore was a "modern" country with education, openness, etc. but the blocking of websites resembles closed countries like China and Russia.
Re:Asia Sentinel Blocked in Singapore by alephnerd on Friday June 02, 2023 @10:40PM (#36173204)
It's a hybrid regime like Russia.

While they technically have opposition parties, they've de facto always been a one party state.

There is an extreme level of censorship in the state as well and media is almost entirely owned by the Government.

Re:Asia Sentinel Blocked in Singapore by borski on Friday June 02, 2023 @10:36PM (#36173175)
Singapore is an exercise in contradictions. In many ways, it’s extremely liberal. In others, it’s quite dictatorial.

While I absolutely love visiting Singapore, I could never live there.

Re:Asia Sentinel Blocked in Singapore by netsharc on Friday June 02, 2023 @10:43PM (#36173222)
William Gibson, 30 years ago: https://archive.is/tCbpB

Afaik porn sites are also blocked there.

Re:Asia Sentinel Blocked in Singapore by defrost on Friday June 02, 2023 @10:51PM (#36173250)
It is and it isn't and the establishment dance with blind eyes about the discrepancies.

The root cause article here is about openly reporting commonly known things that upset Muslim|Christian puritan values ..

    On July 23, 2021, an article appeared in the Tokyo-based English-language weekly Nikkei Asia Review, calling attention to the Singapore government's handling of so-called KTV lounges, alleging that decades of institutional failures in dealing with what the article called "organized crime cartels” were running what amounted to illegal brothels, which were responsible for the widespread spread of Covid-19 among the lounges’ patrons. 

    ... As most Singaporeans know, the KTV lounges have been an embarrassment to strait-laced Singapore for decades, ... [1]
To be clear twenty years back I was taken for business meetings to a 20+ story tower that was lounges and clubs from the basement to to the top floor .. with a strong height from ground correlation to sophistication|sleeze levels.

Initially I met with individuals that owned fleets of ships and several skyscrapers (top floor, free top shelf everything) ultimately I socialised after hours with ships crew (ground floor, unsolicited lap dancing | hands on groin unless firmly pushed aside).

Officially this didn't exist, in practice it appeared to be open knowledgge.

[1] https://www.asiasentinel.com/p/singapore-kills-chicken-scare...

Re:Asia Sentinel Blocked in Singapore by alephnerd on Friday June 02, 2023 @10:58PM (#36173282)
The KTV scandal wasn't just about puritanical values.

It also had negative impacts on Vietnamese and Thai women in Singapore due to the stereotypes that women from Vietnam and Thailand are only there as sex workers.

This was also around the time that Singapore was seeing a severe backlash against immigration (eg. The anti-CECA protests, the KTV stuff, Opposition MPs stoking the xenophobic fires, etc)

> To be clear twenty years back I was taken for business meetings to a 20+ story tower that was lounges and clubs from the basement to to the top floor .. with a strong height from ground correlation to sophistication|sleeze levels.

Orchard Towers. It's open knowledge it's all brothels there. The SG govt legalized and heavily regulates prostitution and organized crime.

Re:Asia Sentinel Blocked in Singapore by nerdbert on Friday June 02, 2023 @11:40PM (#36173479)
The Singapore government legalized and heavily regulates organized crime?
Re:Asia Sentinel Blocked in Singapore by alephnerd on Friday June 02, 2023 @11:48PM (#36173517)
Legalized and heavily regulates Prostitution.

Organized crime is kind of regulated too (a lot of the tongs that would have been in the drug trade ended up in the postitution trade and construction)

Re:Asia Sentinel Blocked in Singapore by throwaway2990 on Saturday June 03, 2023 @12:19AM (#36173665)
It’s illegal for Singaporeans to go to those places. If a man goes only his wife or parents can pick him up from jail. This is to deter them from going there to begin with.

The government knows if they ban it. It drives it underground. So they tolerate it and try to ensure locals don’t use it.

Re:Asia Sentinel Blocked in Singapore by defrost on Friday June 02, 2023 @11:22PM (#36173389)
Orchard Towers rings a bell .. cheers.

The twin standards and negative stereotype issue were there in Singapore 20+ years ago .. and common enough in various forms in many countries.

I worked in geophysical remote sensing and across many years visited | worked in nearly 3/4's of the ~190+ countries and territories across the globe.

You rapidly develop a habit of identifying the best and worst aspects of variopus countries and rolling along with whatever locals you are there to liase with and suspending judgement.

My year or so of working in and out of Singapore surveying the Spratly islands region exposed me to many "contradictions" of life there - overall it's a nice city | island with a strong dash of double think surrounding issues of (say) local Singapore citizen V. expat worker expectations.

Re:Asia Sentinel Blocked in Singapore by alephnerd on Saturday June 03, 2023 @12:14PM (#36177858)
Yeah. ASEAN is interesting to say the least. Definetly a lot of contradictions at hand, but stuff is definetly changing circa 2023.
Re:Asia Sentinel Blocked in Singapore by gmerc on Saturday June 03, 2023 @12:13AM (#36173639)
Hilarious if you think the KTV scandal had any impact on this stereotype.
Re:Asia Sentinel Blocked in Singapore by alephnerd on Saturday June 03, 2023 @12:12PM (#36177847)
It didn't have impact on the stereotype but it did cause temporary diplomatic tensions with Vietnam.
Re:Asia Sentinel Blocked in Singapore by refurb on Saturday June 03, 2023 @12:55AM (#36173829)
Interestingly, Singapore provides "yellow cards" to foreign prostitutes in an effort to manage the sex trade. It's entirely hush-hush, there are no government websites about it.

- You have to be between 21-35 years of age

- You cannot be Malay or Muslim

- You cannot be Male on your ID card (this includes pre-operative transgender persons)

- You have to be from a list of approved countries (i.e. China, Malaysia, Thailand, etc)

There are organizations that support sex workers in Singapore that you can find out more:

https://theprojectx.org/faq/

Re:Asia Sentinel Blocked in Singapore by throwaway290 on Friday June 02, 2023 @10:52PM (#36173254)
Singapore is modern but it's a full autocracy.
Re:Asia Sentinel Blocked in Singapore by refurb on Friday June 02, 2023 @11:25PM (#36173404)
I wouldn't call it "full on autocracy", but the setup heavily favors the ruling party.

A few examples:

- There are open and free elections; the current ruling party, PAP, has ruled since the countries inception

- However, the ruling party is more than happy to "tweak" the rules to make sure they stay in power. A good example is when they turn single member constituencies (one person is elected to one seat in parliament) to a group representation constituency (GRC), where 5 or more people are "elected". The argument was that it improves minority representation, but it also puts a barrier to opposition parties running because they need to field way more candidates (each one costs money). It's not surprisingly which constituencies were turned into GRCs when you look at how many voted for PAP

- They are also quite blatant about "if you vote against PAP, we'll take money away from your constituency". Since PAP controls the purse, they "punish" constituencies that don't vote them in by deprioritizing infrastructure and public housing improvements. And they don't hide this.

- There is no freedom of information act, so the ruling party (PAP) controls all government data. Opposition can ask for it, but the response is often "what is the purpose of your question?" or "releasing that information would disrupt racial harmony". So without hard data, the opposition has can't prove there is a problem.

- The "grassroots" setup PAP has resident committees, neighborhood committees, resident's networks, etc. It's a massive group of volunteers for PAP that allows them a broad interaction with voters that the opposition can't really replicate

- One opposition member made a claim in parliament that a woman who was raped was not treated fairly by the police. Well, turns out she made statements to parliament that were false. So the entire party was put on "trial" and every statement was run through with a fine tooth comb forcing the person to leave parliament. But then when PAP does it (like when Covid tracking data was shared with police, directly against what they promised) and it's smoothed over, an apology made and the laws changed to make it legal.

So it's democracy, but set up to make it very hard for opposition to get into positions of power. It has happened, but the cards are stacked against them.

That said, the PAP works very hard to keep the voters happy. When I lived there I was amazed when problems would happen and they would be fixed within a day or two. They are incredibly responsive to complaints, use their grassroots network to quickly collect voter sentiment, then quickly respond.

So in the end, most of the voters are happy with PAP.

Re:Asia Sentinel Blocked in Singapore by throwaway290 on Friday June 02, 2023 @11:42PM (#36173486)
Very informative.

> They are also quite blatant about "if you vote against PAP, we'll take money away from your constituency".

Not cool!

> The "grassroots" setup PAP has resident committees, neighborhood committees, resident's networks, etc. It's a massive group of volunteers for PAP that allows them a broad interaction with voters that the opposition can't really replicate

Unpaid volunteers? Wow...

Honestly I think if they were serious about it they could create processes and entities in place that would benefit constituents without depending on the ruling party.

Re:Asia Sentinel Blocked in Singapore by resolutebat on Saturday June 03, 2023 @01:53AM (#36174096)
While the ruling party (People's Action Party, PAP) and the neighborhood councils (People's Association, PA) are notionally distinct, in practice the two are very, very closely intertwined to such an extent that that the two are inseparable. So a volunteer who runs free tai chi lessons or something is notionally working for the PA, but in practice the PAP gets the credit for that too.

As an aside, it's funny how Singapore is known as a hypercapitalist utopia, but the ruling party was originally quite socialist and that's still visible in the naming.

Re:Asia Sentinel Blocked in Singapore by gmerc on Saturday June 03, 2023 @11:29AM (#36177431)
That’s because ‘it is known’ is bullshit. Singapore is one of the most socialist places on the planet.

- Most people work for the government for example. PSD (public service is the largest employer). Temasek, controlled by the Singapore Minister of Finance owns the every major local company (Singapore Airlines, Captialland, DBS, JTC, etc).

- The housing market is 80% HDB and directly government controlled

- The tax system is very progressive with foreigners paying a lot and locals collecting a lot of subsidies.

People in the US swoon about capitalist wonderland when in reality Singapore is the strongest case for government run economy you can probably find because it a actually works quite well to keep the country competitive and extract maximum value for the population.

Go ahead, verify it.

Re:Asia Sentinel Blocked in Singapore by gmerc on Saturday June 03, 2023 @12:13AM (#36173631)
Is texas a democracy ? trick question because Americans tend to be unable to deal with the contradiction
Re:Asia Sentinel Blocked in Singapore by refurb on Saturday June 03, 2023 @06:28AM (#36175359)
The world isn't black and white, it's not either/or. Democracies come on a spectrum.

And if you measure "democracy" by representation of the population in the elected leaders, the State Senate is 33% Democratic, the House is 40% The cities are Democratic, the rural areas Republican. The state has had both Republican and Democratic Governors in it's history, with some times the Democrats controlling all three seats of power.

Seems pretty democratic to me.

Re:Asia Sentinel Blocked in Singapore by gmerc on Saturday June 03, 2023 @11:24AM (#36177383)
Same in singapore. hence it was a trick question
Re:Asia Sentinel Blocked in Singapore by refurb on Saturday June 03, 2023 @09:10PM (#36182061)
What is the "same"? I don't see it.
Re:Asia Sentinel Blocked in Singapore by bunga-bunga on Saturday June 03, 2023 @12:53AM (#36173822)
When I think of Singapore, I think of “benevolent dictator.” They may mean well (for now), but it’s still authoritarian.
Re:Asia Sentinel Blocked in Singapore by awuji on Saturday June 03, 2023 @01:23AM (#36173966)
Websites that are critical to the governments message are blocked in the West too. Either blocking sites isn't only a symptom of a closed country or the West is more closed then you care to admit.