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Re:The role of cat eye narrowing movements in cat–human comm... by yard2010 on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @03:35AM (#36135565)
I use this trick for years, in my experience yawning theatrically gets the same result
Re:The role of cat eye narrowing movements in cat–human comm... by fransje26 on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @04:50AM (#36136026)
The yawning also helps calming down the guard dogs protecting sheep herds in the mountains.
Re:The role of cat eye narrowing movements in cat–human comm... by dalben on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @07:42AM (#36137156)
Huh, thanks for the tip. I'll try this next time I meet a patou!
Re:The role of cat eye narrowing movements in cat–human comm... by Doxin on Thursday June 01, 2023 @03:13AM (#36148357)
This is a generic dog "non-agression" signal as far as I understand. Licking your nose (or at least pretending to do so) works similarly.
Re:The role of cat eye narrowing movements in cat–human comm... by serchinastico on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @06:39AM (#36136726)
Absolutely! Dogs use yawning a lot in their communication if you look close enough. They also have other messages like smelling around, looking away, etc. I think they all might mean something along the lines of "I don't see you as a threat to me so we are good"
Re:The role of cat eye narrowing movements in cat–human comm... by Sharlin on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @07:43AM (#36137166)
Cats also regard looking away as a friendly gesture. Which is probably one reason they anecdotally tend to seek out the company of the one person who is allergic or does not like cats. Humans not accustomed to cat body language tend to think of looking away as a sign of aloofness and disinterest instead.
Re:The role of cat eye narrowing movements in cat–human comm... by hnbad on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @09:41AM (#36138294)
Some people jokingly say that cats are autism and dogs are ADHD and if you know people who are autistic or have ADHD, the parallels are fairly obvious. Autistic people also struggle with other humans insisting on eye contact.
Re:The role of cat eye narrowing movements in cat–human comm... by Sharlin on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @11:09AM (#36139242)
As do Finns (I'm one), and people of many other non-American cultures. And many non-autistic but shy or introverted or highly sensitive persons. You seek eye contact momentarily when you make a point in a conversation, or respond to a point made, or want to empathize, or whatever. Prolonged or too frequent eye contact is weird.

That said, cats very much do stare at your face when they want or are expecting something, usually food. They also have the adoring eyes-half-open stare mode you can see examples of at r/Catsmiring.

I would say that cats better fit the introvert archetype, and dogs the extrovert one, rather than something from the DSM. Anecdotally there's also a significant positive correlation with their respective owners' personalities.

Re:The role of cat eye narrowing movements in cat–human comm... by JohnFen on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @02:23PM (#36141844)
> Humans not accustomed to cat body language tend to think of looking away as a sign of aloofness and disinterest instead.

But not always. For instance, a common sign of flirting in humans is to repeatedly catch someone's eye and then look away.

Re:The role of cat eye narrowing movements in cat–human comm... by shrimp_emoji on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @02:32PM (#36142014)
They're called calming signals, and the reason they're calming is because they make it obvious that the individual isn't "on alert".

If the individual means you harm, they're going to be paying close attention to your every movement since they're about to attack. They'll be staring directly at you, sizing you up, preparing to pounce.

Looking away, smelling around, yawning, slow blinking or eye closing, are all boondoggles that signal, as you said, "hey, I feel at ease with you enough to do this idle busywork, almost as though you weren't here at all because I don't see you as a threat or target".

Re:The role of cat eye narrowing movements in cat–human comm... by Sharlin on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @07:40AM (#36137145)
Yawning probably goes back at least to the first mammals, it's pretty hard-wired as a standard mammalian social cue signifying a calm and relaxed affect and being in the "rest and digest" parasympathetic mode. It's contagious across species, and even thinking about yawning makes you want to yawn!
Re:The role of cat eye narrowing movements in cat–human comm... by bikeshaving on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @09:19AM (#36138039)
Yes but humans have also co-opted it to mean something like “you’re losing my interest,” which seems funny to me. I wonder if there are more examples of instinctive behaviors being deployed sarcastically in humans.
Re:The role of cat eye narrowing movements in cat–human comm... by Sharlin on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @11:14AM (#36139308)
Well, there's of course sarcastic smiling and sarcastic or scornful laughing, the "genuine" forms of both being partly involuntary responses. Another interesting reflex action that's been deployed socially by humans is clearing one's throat to politely request attention.
Re:The role of cat eye narrowing movements in cat–human comm... by quadcore on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @08:22AM (#36137481)
I'd bet it works on human too. Will update you on that.
Re:The role of cat eye narrowing movements in cat–human comm... by bravura on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @08:39AM (#36137638)
For maximum results, lie sideways on the ground and start blinking slowly and petting yourself gently and meowing softly.

Your friends will think you're crazy, but cats will love you.

Re:The role of cat eye narrowing movements in cat–human comm... by xattt on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @09:37AM (#36138254)
While I understand this comment is made in jest, I do wonder whether cats are able to “map out” or recognize body parts of humans as parts equivalent on the cat body plan.
Re:The role of cat eye narrowing movements in cat–human comm... by sph on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @02:31PM (#36141985)
I have always wondered that about eyes in general: I'm not sure if I'm daft or not, but it seems surprising to me that animals with any intelligence look at us in the eyes.

Why fixate on the face and not, say, our hands or body, if they might be afraid of us, to determine if we are a threat? Eyes must provide a higher signal of intent, so it's surprising that even animals on a much lower level of intelligence can read our facial expressions.

I'm not sure if it's a good or a stupid question.

Re:The role of cat eye narrowing movements in cat–human comm... by solarmist on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @02:40PM (#36142150)
It's not a stupid question. It's a matter of stages of engagement.

The face and eyes indicate intention. You can't successfully track or kill without focusing your full attention on the object, and the easiest way to detect this is by seeing where the eyes are focused.

Once a threat is determined, then focus moves to other body parts.

Re:The role of cat eye narrowing movements in cat–human comm... by solarmist on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @02:46PM (#36142268)
My understanding is, in general, yes. At least major body parts and face parts. Even ones that differ (eg. our ears vs their ears).

Think about it this way how can you kill successfully if you don't have a basic understanding of the anatomy of what you're trying to kill?

I think a general body map is hardwired into more vertebrates. Heads always have eyes, ears and move around. Arms are on the upper torso and legs are at the end of the torso, tails are common.

Beyond that level, your guess is as good as mine though.

Re:The role of cat eye narrowing movements in cat–human comm... by supertofu on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @03:30PM (#36142955)
Anecdotal answer from a cat person: yes. My cat gives me "hugs". He stands on his hind legs on my lap so our hearts are touching and his cheek is against my cheek. It's quite touching. He seems to know what my heart is and what my cheek is, and puts his own versions against mine.

It's precious.